Alex 35083 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 If Daffy was playing in the current setup he'd probably be averaging what Woakes is now. Victim of his time iyam. Aye, it was a tongue-in-cheek but he was a decent test player (the other two were very good players also, albeit at county level and Ellison wasn't really an all-rounder although he was touted as such when he first broke into the side). When you look at Defreitas' figures and the side he played in he had a good record. He was a pretty useful lower order batsman too and a good one day player. England were canny shit during his test career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 comparing eras is tricky. i reckon stewart, gooch and atherton would have averaged closer to than 50 than 40 if they'd played the game today as well. If Gooch hadn't gone on that rebel tour he probably would've done anyway. I think he averaged over 50 in the 2nd half of career. So long as he wasn't facing Terry Alderman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie 0 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Aye there's a few who would have averaged more, Gooch and Thorpe spring to mind straight away. I'm listening to Tuffers and Vaughan now, they're being pretty scathing about Rashid, and also the field placings they're setting for him. Sounds like the doubters on here are absolutely right - they don't seem to rate him at all. Sounds like they're expecting England to get a howking in the India series! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Tough start to the day but we're getting back into it now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 bit of a head scratcher as to why finn is playing. do you even need three seamers on these pitches. i'd have rather played batty and gone with four spinners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 bit of a head scratcher as to why finn is playing. do you even need three seamers on these pitches. i'd have rather played batty and gone with four spinners. Taylor was saying the other day that Finn is very underrated with his ability to reverse the ball. Maybe that's the reason. I'm probably more surprised they rested Broad rather than Woakes who also played in the ODI's. Get up Mo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 seems they want to rest and rotate ahaead of the 5 test series in india, which will be a bit of a long old toil on those pitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie 0 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Yes I think that's it - it must be pretty sapping for a seamer over there, and to play 5/6/7 tests on those pitches must be soul destroying, especially against Indian batters. Bit of a collapse by Bangladesh before tea there. I hope their tail wags a bit to get them something to bowl at, but I have a feeling not winning that last match will have smashed their resolve. They won't get a better chance to beat a top team in a test for a while. Got a feeling this match might be a bit of a walkover for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Think this pitch will deteriorate quite a bit so they will have the best of it. Even if we bowl them out for a low ish score, I don't think it will be easy. I understand about the rotation and the seamers work load but I just think Woakes is going to have the biggest load now (apart from Stokes). Unless they think they're more likely to leave him out for a match against India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie 0 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I hope you're right - would love to see (well, hear - I just listen to tms at work) another close match like the last one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Moeen cleaning up here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Ripping through them now like. I'm watching at a work. Got to keep coming up with reasons to stay in my office and not help with the stock take this morning so I can keep it on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 moeen wraps it up with 5 for, to whip them out for 220. job done. now it'd be nice for our openers to make some scores Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44888 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Moving along at a pace this game now. Shame we were so shit in the first session. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Ballance needs a score if he wants to keep his place for India Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 He's got to go now. He's been shite since they brought him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 bye, bye ballance, bye bye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 root and moeen to occupy the crease tomorrow then stokes and rasheed to biff us to a first innings lead. job done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Aye piece of piss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Mark Wood has signed a new three year deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Aye piece of piss! were only 170 runs behind. only need a couple of decent partnerships. get through till lunch with the loss of one wicket and we'll be right back in the mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Spectacularly not following your plan this morning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 (edited) Wow, you're up early (or late). I haven't watched it this morning but it sounds like it's an old fashioned subcontinental turner and our lot are struggling. Struggling again to understand why we have picked so many steamers. We might struggle to get a first innings lead now root has gone. Edited October 29, 2016 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 50 partnerships from Rashid and Woakes steadying the ship and taking England towards parity. Bonus of batting deep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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