David Kelly 1224 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Declared now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34954 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Think there's only a few showers forecast tomorrow. Could actually hinder the side batting if that's the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9321 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 if they win, they'll be able to say they were vindicated but i don't see any logic in this at all other than boosting their averages. they might have been better off putting vince and ballance in to try to boost their confidence a bit if they just fancied a spot of batting practice other than the logic of getting into a position where only England can possibly win. Also putting extra miles into the Pakistan bowlers legs when next match is next week, not to mention the psychological element of piling up the runs. They were obviously batting to a time (40 minutes) rather than averages, that's just a silly notion tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21869 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) other than the logic of getting into a position where only England can possibly win. Also putting extra miles into the Pakistan bowlers legs when next match is next week, not to mention the psychological element of piling up the runs. They were obviously batting to a time (40 minutes) rather than averages, that's just a silly notion tbh. It's ridiculously cautious. The overnight lead of 450 or whatever it was would have been a world record test run chase. If they'd somehow inexplicably chased it down then you would have to say fair play to them. Let's be realistic though. The only way they were going to manage it would have been if the England pace attack all came down with food poisoning or something. Yes we may have batted them out of the game beyond all reasonable doubt but I think we already had tbh. We've got a world class pace attack. Back them to take 10 wickets and don't give the opposition a sniff of saving the match. That's what cook should have done Edited July 25, 2016 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34954 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Don't see what batting for 40 mins or so this morning achieved like. Record successful run chase at Old Trafford is about 260. Don't really agree Pakistan have been given a hope of saving the match though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21869 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 i agree theirs is a hopeless cause but all we've done is reduce the amount of time we had to bowl them out. hopefully the weather won't play a part but you never know in manchester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44568 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Stokes looks to have pulled his calf muscle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34954 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Looks like this might be all over tonight now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21869 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 stokes injury taking the gloss of it a bit. looks like his summer might be over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1224 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Can't see this lasting until tomorrow now. Big shame about stokes. Finn back in for the rest of the series or Ball? Woakes can play the all rounder role in his absence I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34954 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 What about Mark Wood? Or even Rashid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21869 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 wood for stokes, rashid for vince? the batting line up is long enough to accommodate losing a specialist batter. we won't be losing any runs anyway if vince is dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21869 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 finn's got a bit of work to do on his rhythm before he earns a recall. when he's on song, he should be our first change bowler, but he's got a bit of work to do in the nets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1224 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Is there anything Root can't do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1224 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) Aye Wood might just be coming back from injury at the right time. Took another 3 wickets for the lions yesterday, dunno if he's took any today after Bell Drummond and Ducket smashed their bowlers all over the place. But he's not played a county game this year yet has he? Edit: Doesn't look like he's played today. Edited July 25, 2016 by David Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34954 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 I reckon Cook's decision has been vindicated btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21869 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 which one, to play root at 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34954 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Fair do's Doesn't solve the problem that England rely far too heavily on Root and Cook as far as the top order batting goes though. That and hoping that long tail keeps wagging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21869 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 i agree with that. i'm yet to be convinced that vince or ballance are the answer either. they're supposed to be specialist batters but both look suspect at test level. i'd rather woakes was at 4 instead of vince right now on current form. though the idea to move moeen up the order could also fix that problem and perhaps give him the confidence boost that stokes got when he was bumped up to 6. in fact, if you'll forgive me for playing fantasy cricket selector for a minute, you could conceivably play an extra seamer and an extra spinner without affecting the strength of the batting line up too much. 5 seamers and two spinners in this side and they would still bat deep. cook hales root moeen bairstow stokes woakes rashid broad wood or finn (if he finds his radar) anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21869 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 5 seamers and 2 spinners would be taking the piss like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1224 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 I don't think anyone is going to forgive you for playing fantasy selector again. Wood looked like a pretty useful batsman in the Ashes too. Him as a number 10 gives us a very long tail again. Plunkett might be another option to replace Stokes. Been doing well for Yorkshire and in short forms for England recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1224 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 I see Stoneman is leaving Durham at the end of the season with Borthwick looking a good chance to follow him. Mustard gone now too. Really have to worry about their finances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21869 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 (edited) I don't think anyone is going to forgive you for playing fantasy selector again. Wood looked like a pretty useful batsman in the Ashes too. Him as a number 10 gives us a very long tail again. Plunkett might be another option to replace Stokes. Been doing well for Yorkshire and in short forms for England recently. i like plunkett too. offers a bit of extra pace compared to the rest. it's amazing how many of our bowlers can bat a bit. exposes the lack of real quality top/middle order batsmen really, when you could conceivably have a team made up of so many all rounders of sorts. back in the day we were lucky to have one genuine all rounder. and as far as fantasy selections go, i'm the cricket equivalent of deano, minus the thriving gardening business. Edited July 26, 2016 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34954 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Plunkett or Wood are good shouts and either should bat higher than Broad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21869 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 let's see your fantasy selection then, alex. you know you want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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