David Kelly 1224 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Looking like it might be a decent day for us now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34953 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Don't curse it now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21868 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 review wasted. what did bairstow hear there? moeen never looked convinced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34953 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 review wasted. what did bairstow hear there? moeen never looked convinced How was it a review wasted? You get another 2 after 80 overs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21868 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 wayward from jimmy with the new cherry again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21868 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 How was it a review wasted? You get another 2 after 80 overs oh yeah, worth a cheeky one then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21868 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 that is a relatively recent change to drs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34953 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 that is a relatively recent change to drs Changed about 3 years ago iirc. DRS is a relatively recent concept anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1224 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 It's about time the changed the review process so you don't lose an appeal when it's umpire's call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34953 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 It's about time the changed the review process so you don't lose an appeal when it's umpire's call. Aye, I would agree with that. I think a few pundits (like Vaughan) have been saying it for a while. Seems very unfair at times Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1224 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Aye, I would agree with that. I think a few pundits (like Vaughan) have been saying it for a while. Seems very unfair at timesStokes appeal against Amla earlier was a perfect example. Hawkeye was showing a fair chunk of it hitting the stumps but we lose an appeal because the umpire didn't give it. I'm all for not allowing frivilous appeals every other over but when it's that close you shouldn't be penalised. Pretty sure Bumble is another advocate of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21868 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Changed about 3 years ago iirc. DRS is a relatively recent concept anyway about 7 or 8 years old now. i think reviews being reset after an innings came in in 2014. agree about the flaws. silly that an umpire's pride seems to be the most important thing. stoke's had a perfectly good shout turned down earlier, which would have been sustained had the umpire given it out and SA reviewed it. it's all a bit silly. i think if the technology says it's hitting the stumps, give him out, otherwise why use it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34953 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 about 7 or 8 years old now. i think reviews being reset after an innings came in in 2014. agree about the flaws. silly that an umpire's pride seems to be the most important thing. stoke's had a perfectly good shout turned down earlier, which would have been sustained had the umpire given it out and SA reviewed it. it's all a bit silly. i think if the technology says it's hitting the stumps, give him out, otherwise why use it? There's a margin of error in the technology being used so it makes perfect sense to side with the umpire if it's a marginal call. It's predicting where the ball would've gone so it's not like goal line technology which is demonstrating where it did go. The umpire's pride doesn't come into it as far as I can see. The biggest 'flaw', if you like, is that it's only used if both countries agree upon it, because the ICC is in India's pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1224 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Aye it's ridiculous that not all nations use it. It should be a condition of being allowed to play test cricket for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21868 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 There's a margin of error in the technology being used so it makes perfect sense to side with the umpire if it's a marginal call. It's predicting where the ball would've gone so it's not like goal line technology which is demonstrating where it did go. The umpire's pride doesn't come into it as far as I can see. The biggest 'flaw', if you like, is that it's only used if both countries agree upon it, because the ICC is in India's pocket. if it had only just clipping the stumps, i could understand it, but stoke's call looked a fair one to me. it was hitting the top of middle and the bails, according to DRS. is the margin of error that big? i dunno, i just know i'd be gutted if i bowled that delivery and it was turned down on review, just as i'd consider myself lucky if i was batting and got away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21868 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 (edited) and yeah, india refusing to play along with it it is them just doing it because they can. Edited January 14, 2016 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34953 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 if it had only just clipping the stumps, i could understand it, but stoke's call looked a fair one to me. it was hitting the top of middle and the bails, according to DRS. is the margin of error that big? i dunno, i just know i'd be gutted if i bowled that delivery and it was turned down on review, just as i'd consider myself lucky if i was batting and got away with it. Well they use half a ball I believe which is probably a generous margin of error given the technology is constantly improving and so on but you have to have a standard and I also the players, officials etc. need to have confidence in it. I think it's generally accepted it's more accurate than that margin of error though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21868 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Interesting chat on TMS about whether Anderson should always get the new ball. If it's a quick, bouncy pitch but there's not much movement through the air, would we better off giving it to Finn and Broad instead of always going for Anderson on reputation? I think it's got to be horses for courses. When it's swinging, there's no one in the world better than Anderson at what he does and obviously you want him spearheading the attack. But when it isn't he can look ineffective and in those circumstances he could be brought out of the attack early so he's fresh for a charge with the older ball. He's developed brilliant abilities to reverse swing the old ball. It's hard to envisage him ever coming in at first or second change though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21868 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Well they use half a ball I believe which is probably a generous margin of error given the technology is constantly improving and so on but you have to have a standard and I also the players, officials etc. need to have confidence in it. I think it's generally accepted it's more accurate than that margin of error though. It's different to the use of Hawkeye in other sports because of its predictive nature, right? It's a shame there isn't more confidence in the technology. The one that stokes had turned down yesterday just looked out live and on DRS. I agree that it silly for a side to lose a review when it's umpire's call as well. A team shouldn't be penalised for asking a question on a marginal decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1224 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Could have done with getting them out for less than 300 and it's disapointing we let the last two batsmen get into double figures. But it is apparently no more than a par score for this ground so it's up to us to bat well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21868 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) poor shot from hales, nicking off for one. another opening batsmen who looks uncomfortable outside his off stump Edited January 15, 2016 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21868 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) here comes nick "the grinder" compton. it's not going to pretty with these two at the crease but hopefully they can hang around Edited January 15, 2016 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1224 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 I think hanging around is just what we need here. Hayles looked like a walking wicket from his first ball there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1224 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 They seem to be bowing at a much better length than we started with. Lots just going past the edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34953 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 Hope we avoid the follow on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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