Dr Gloom 22162 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 and suddenly there's extra bounce from starc and a bit of chin music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22162 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) oh dear balance. he looks vulnerable when it's pitched up. i don't think he's number 3 quality. root is our best batter and ought to be number 3. there's the argument that he's doing well at 5 so why promote him, but i don't think balance is the answer at that slot. Edited July 17, 2015 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 He shouldn't be moved at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22162 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 fucking hell, and then bell goes in the time it takes me to go for a piss after my last post. root come in, essentially at number three, yet again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22162 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 He shouldn't be moved at all. you don't think the best batter should be at 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22162 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 there's certainly a case against balance staying in that slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35588 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 oh dear balance. he looks vulnerable when it's pitched up. i don't think he's number 3 quality. root is our best batter and ought to be number 3. there's the argument that he's doing well at 5 so why promote him, but i don't think balance is the answer at that slot. You pick a different batsman, you don't move someone averaging 70 at number 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35588 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 you don't think the best batter should be at 3? What number did Steve Waugh bat at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22162 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 You pick a different batsman, you don't move someone averaging 70 at number 5. steve smith was promoted up the order for the aussies to three after a golden couple of years. doesn't seem to have done him any harm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22162 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 What number did Steve Waugh bat at? what number did brian lara bat at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35588 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 steve smith was promoted up the order for the aussies to three after a golden couple of years. doesn't seem to have done him any harm. And Root has struggled when he's batted up the order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 what number did brian lara bat at? Jesus fucking wept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 there's certainly a case against balance staying in that slot. Doesn't mean we need to move Root. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35588 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 what number did brian lara bat at? He batted at 4 much more often than he batted at 3 in tests so I'm not sure what your point is meant to be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22162 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Jesus fucking wept. what? three is a crucial position. it's a valid point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22162 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 He batted at 4 much more often than he batted at 3 in tests so I'm not sure what your point is meant to be there. my point is three is a crucial position and you want your best batter playing there, or one of your best. balance does not look like a three to me. his footwork isn't up to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35588 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 my point is three is a crucial position and you want your best batter playing there, or one of your best. balance does not look like a three to me. his footwork isn't up to it. So why did you pick a batsman, one of the all time greats, who scored the vast majority of his runs and centuries batting at number 4 in tests (and was the best batsman in his team throughout his career) to illustrate your point that the best batsman bat at 3? Because that was the point you were attempting to make, if you care to check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22162 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 He batted at 4 much more often than he batted at 3 in tests so I'm not sure what your point is meant to be there. he batted at three loads, as did ricky ponting, as did david gower, as does hashim amla etc etc. the point is it's a key position and you want one of your most accomplished batters there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35588 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 he batted at three loads, as did ricky ponting, as did david gower, as does hashim amla etc etc. the point is it's a key position and you want one of your most accomplished batters there. Yes, he did bat at 3 a lot, but he batted at 4 a lot more. Gower batted at 3 a lot too, but he got more runs batting at 4. I agree it's a crucial position, but it's also a specialist position, a bit like opening. I feel Root has found his natural place in the side. I'd rather not tinker with a position where there isn't a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22162 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 So why did you pick a batsman, one of the all time greats, who scored the vast majority of his runs and centuries batting at number 4 in tests (and was the best batsman in his team throughout his career) to illustrate your point that the best batsman bat at 3? Because that was the point you were attempting to make, if you care to check. howay then, let's see the stats. i remember him batting at 3 loads for the windies. i might be wrong, and he may have played at 4 more, but even if i am wrong, the point is remains. it's one of the most crucial positions in the batting lineup, at test level you want one of your best players there, and currently that player does not looks like it should be gary balance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Again though nobody is saying it should be Ballance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35588 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 howay then, let's see the stats. i remember him batting at 3 loads for the windies. i might be wrong, and he may have played at 4 more, but even if i am wrong, the point is remains. it's one of the most crucial positions in the batting lineup, at test level you want one of your best players there, and currently that player does not looks like it should be gary balance http://www.cricketweb.net/statsspider/player/graph/408307-Test-12.php There you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22162 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Again though nobody is saying it should be Ballance. Who, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22162 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 http://www.cricketweb.net/statsspider/player/graph/408307-Test-12.php There you go. Fair enough. 3k at no 3, 7k at no 4. Perhaps I'm remembering him as a number three because he played there more at the backend of his career? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22162 Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Regardless, perhaps we can agree that the bowling attack helped paper over a few cracks in the batting lineup in the Cardiff match? We have an exciting and aggressive middle order but there are question marks over Lyth and Balance being good enough in their current positions - and over whether Bell's best days are behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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