trooper 940 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 “We now have an offensive line that will threaten the best Premier League teams with Emmanuel (Riviere), Remy Cabella and Siem De Jong." Pardew said this after Riviere's transfer was confirmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10858 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I think that's pretty much the formation that we've been trying so far? Gouffran's supposed to have been wide left and either Cabella moving out to the right or Sissoko moving up and out to the right. I just think it's too complicated for Pardew to make it work. It would require some actual attacking coaching to make any of these formations work. Pardew doesn't know how to do that and thinks only magic brings it together. I can't see him ever making anything other than 4-4-2 work but we really don't have the players for that. Our only real wingers are Obertan (worst player ever), Sammy (an Ameobi which I think says it all) and Aarons who's injured. And Gouffran has to be dropped now. He's been pathetic since Christmas. Yeah it's similar, I think we play a 4-5-1. I think we're supposed to be playing a 4-2-3-1 but De Jong's absence has left us short in that central position in the Hole. Also, because the ball is coming back so quickly the midfield can't get far enough forward to support him and end up playing wider and deeper than they're supposed to. We maybe could have played Cabella there (in the hole), but we've not got anyone who Pardew has faith in for the left. Mind you, Cabella isn't having any impact out there, so maybe Riviere will have better luck against the fullbacks than he's been having against the Centre backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) 532 makes sense. Without the invisible Gouffran (not one shot on goal yet?) and the ginger shuffler. ...............................Krul ..............................Collo........................ .................Willo..................Taylor............ Janmaat..............................................Haidara Edited October 2, 2014 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4771 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 532 makes sense. Without the invisible Gouffran (not one shot on goal yet?) and the ginger shuffler. Who are we playing as our 3 centre backs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Who are we playing as our 3 centre backs? Edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10858 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 You're not worried Janmaat and Haidara would forget their defensive responsibilities and leave us with 3 at the back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4771 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 So we have 3 centre backs to our name, lets get them all on the pitch at once and when one gets injured or suspended we're totally fucked. None of them have any pace and only Colo has ever demonstrated the level of intelligence needed to work in a 3 at the back formation. Man U haven't been able to make it work in that system and, despite how crap everyone says their defence is, none of our CBs would get in their team, they also have the benefit of a proven, world class, manager at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 We can't play through the middle and their isn't enough creativity to interchange into positive areas (as we've seen so far). For now we'd be better off playing around sides, especially ones who dominate posession and control the middle ie Swansea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) You're not worried Janmaat and Haidara would forget their defensive responsibilities and leave us with 3 at the back? Wiv Pards shoutin at em...Don't fink so. This lets us play 2 strikers and get balls into the box. Willo won't have to do that little chip to nobody he'll have 2 outlets in the DM Tiote and the fullback on his side. Also Janmaat can get into the box as much as he wants and we know he has one or two good pops at goal in him. Haidara won't have to defend so much something which he isn't great at anyway. Edited October 2, 2014 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4771 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Wiv Pards shoutin at em...Don't fink so. This lets us play 2 strikers and get balls into the box. Willo won't have to do that little chip to nobody he'll have 2 outlets in the DM Tiote and the fullback on his side. He already has that in a 442 though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoslingBeast 0 Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) We should be playing 532 with the players we have. Two wingbacks bombing on as Jan and Haddy like to do and is clearly in their nature from what I've seen so far. It would compensate for our uncreative midfield. And it would be a nice chance to experiment with some young CB's aswell, Satka/Mbabu/Good/Streete whomever has shown the most in training, god knows we need to develop some new talent for those positions. I'd definitely start a pair from Cisse/Rivi/Perez/Armstrong. I'd give Obertan a chance after half-time, if we change to 442 during the game, after his recent performances. Krul Willo Colo Taylor Janmaat Haidara Sissoko Tiote Cabella Riviere Cisse Subs: young CB, Obertan, Abeid, Perez, Anita, Dummet, Alnwick Edited October 2, 2014 by TheGoslingBeast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 He already has that in a 442 though. In the 442 they won't get any service as the full backs will stay at home and we don't really have any wingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 And it would be a nice chance to experiment with some young CB's aswell, Satka/Mbabu/Good/Streete whomever has shown the most in training, god knows we need to develop some new talent for those positions. I'd definitely start a pair from Cisse/Rivi/Perez/Armstrong. I'd give Obertan a chance after half-time, if we change to 442 during the game, after his recent performances. Krul Taylor Willo Colo Janmaat Haidara Sissoko Tiote Cabella Riviere Cisse Subs: young CB, Obertan, Abeid, Perez, Anita, Dummet, Alnwick Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Can someone e-mail these formations to Pardew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoslingBeast 0 Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) the 5-3-2 probably needs an description, as Pardew doesn't know what the positions are supposed to do. Wingbacks - Defend and attack in wide areas, with a more attack minded focus compared to a 442/451 Tiote role - primary - defensive minded midfielder, operating a little behind his two midfield partners secondary -be the link between our cb's and our midfielders Cabella role - primary - create chances, use his vision and dribble skills to open up space to lay off accurate passes to a running striker, search for dangerous situations where penalties can be given. secondary - help running wingback on his side creating chances from wide areas Sissoko role - primary - be the high energy box-to-box man, working as the secondary man for both Tiote and Cabella's roles. secondary - help running wingback on his side creating chances from wide areas Riviere - be the physical striker, be an aerial target for crosses and be a physical challenge for cb's, find his partner or score when he's through Cisse role - be the accurate finisher, see a goal the second the chance invites itself, a target for creative offensive passes, play mind-games with the offside trap, search for dangerous situations where penalties can be given. Edited October 2, 2014 by TheGoslingBeast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21941 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Cisse, Perez, Armstong, even Sammy tbh. I know our options are limited but he's offering the square root of fuck all at the minute. Not that I believe that's totally his fault mind. mouth watering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3900 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Obertan is shit he has been shit for years and isn't getting any better. Anybody who claims he is our one hope can have all future views and thoughts discarded as they will abviously be equally worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21941 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 don't let papa lazaru catch any of this 352 chat (if he's still knocking about. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoslingBeast 0 Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 Obertan is shit he has been shit for years and isn't getting any better. Anybody who claims he is our one hope can have all future views and thoughts discarded as they will abviously be equally worthless. He can provide crosses, sometimes dribble, and offers a physical threat, I don't think he's worse than Sissoko and Gouffran in a wing role tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoslingBeast 0 Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 To be more specific I'd have the 532 working like this, with sissoko running up and down like and madman providing a very attack minded Cabella and and defense minded Tiote with cover. Sissoko has, or used to have before Pardewed, beastlike athleticism and that needs to be used for what it's worth. Krul Willo__Colo__Taylor Janmaat_______Tiote__Haidara Sissoko________ Cabella Riviere__Cisse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 He can provide crosses, sometimes dribble, and offers a physical threat, I don't think he's worse than Sissoko and Gouffran in a wing role tbh.Physical threat? I've heard it all now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 the 5-3-2 probably needs an description, as Pardew doesn't know what the positions are supposed to do. Wingbacks - Defend and attack in wide areas, with a more attack minded focus compared to a 442/451 Tiote role - primary - defensive minded midfielder, operating a little behind his two midfield partners secondary -be the link between our cb's and our midfielders Cabella role - primary - create chances, use his vision and dribble skills to open up space to lay off accurate passes to a running striker, search for dangerous situations where penalties can be given. secondary - help running wingback on his side creating chances from wide areas Sissoko role - primary - be the high energy box-to-box man, working as the secondary man for both Tiote and Cabella's roles. secondary - help running wingback on his side creating chances from wide areas Riviere - be the physical striker, be an aerial target for crosses and be a physical challenge for cb's, find his partner or score when he's through Cisse role - be the accurate finisher, see a goal the second the chance invites itself, a target for creative offensive passes, play mind-games with the offside trap, search for dangerous situations where penalties can be given. You do realise that other than Tiote, none of the players you mention have so far shown any aptitude for those descriptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 the 5-3-2 probably needs an description, as Pardew doesn't know what the positions are supposed to do. Wingbacks - Defend and attack in wide areas, with a more attack minded focus compared to a 442/451 Tiote role - primary - defensive minded midfielder, operating a little behind his two midfield partners secondary -be the link between our cb's and our midfielder Cabella role - primary - create chances, use his vision and dribble skills to open up space to lay off accurate passes to a running striker, search for dangerous situations where penalties can be given. secondary - help running wingback on his side creating chances from wide areas Sissoko role - primary - be the high energy box-to-box man, working as the secondary man for both Tiote and Cabella's roles. secondary - help running wingback on his side creating chances from wide areas Riviere - be the physical striker, be an aerial target for crosses and be a physical challenge for cb's, find his partner or score when he's through Cisse role - be the accurate finisher, see a goal the second the chance invites itself, a target for creative offensive passes, play mind-games with the offside trap, search for dangerous situations where penalties can be given. I can offer a 4yr deal at 1.5m a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 You do realise that other than Tiote, none of the players you mention have so far shown any aptitude for those descriptions. Thought those descriptions were pretty basic. Can't any of them play footabll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3900 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 He can provide crosses, sometimes dribble, and offers a physical threat, I don't think he's worse than Sissoko and Gouffran in a wing role tbh. And he has gone downhill since Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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