Inochi 0 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 I honestly think it's just down to Haidara being the perceived as the flashier option, simply because he's not English (Welsh). But, aye, neither are a patch on Santon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Bookies are offering 16-1 for Swansea 3-0 & 35-1 for Swansea 4-0 I'm not usually a gambler but I might put a couple of bob on both of those for tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Not entirely sure why it's so popular to hate on this guy but he was one of our best against Hull and got the (very good) assist for the equalising goal. He's clearly being played out of position and has had some weak performances partially as a result of that (stoke being a prime example).No hatred but he's done nothing since the turn of the year. Up until that time he was chipping in with goals and threatening the oposition. That header for Cisse's second is the only thing he's done this season. I think someone said the other day that he's not had a signle shot. That's incredible if true for a player in the position he's played. He also never beats a defender and never gets any balls into the box. I know he's being played out of position and that is in no way helping him. It is a valid excuse for poor performances but it's not an excuse to keep him in the team. I don't think he's a top class player by any stretch but if used properly he's a decent member of the squad who works really hard. If he's not used properly he's of no more help to our attack than Obertan. I think it's in everyones best interest that he's taken out of the team now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 I honestly think it's just down to Haidara being the perceived as the flashier option, simply because he's not English (Welsh). But, aye, neither are a patch on Santon.I think Dummett has zero potential. He's never going to be a premier league player. Haidara makes mistakes also but I think you can see something in him. Santon is clearly better than both of them but I still think he'll never be the player he could be playing on the left. If Aarons makes it and he has a proper left winger in front of him who can get down the wing and put crosses in then maybe but since he always wants to cut in on his right, having another player in front of him wanting to do the same thing isn't really going to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7297 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 I'd say Dummett is a competent player, probably a good trainer and willing to play a role. I like that he always tries to maintain possession first with short passes rather than reverting to hoofing it. Against top quality opposition I'd venture that he'd be left wanting defensively with a significant part of that down to his relative lack of pace. That same factor will limit his ability to be an attachment attacking threat which is where Haidara in comparison excellent. The hope is that as he develops Haidara will improve his defensive attributes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7297 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 (edited) No hatred but he's done nothing since the turn of the year. Up until that time he was chipping in with goals and threatening the oposition. That header for Cisse's second is the only thing he's done this season. I think someone said the other day that he's not had a signle shot. That's incredible if true for a player in the position he's played. He also never beats a defender and never gets any balls into the box. I know he's being played out of position and that is in no way helping him. It is a valid excuse for poor performances but it's not an excuse to keep him in the team. I don't think he's a top class player by any stretch but if used properly he's a decent member of the squad who works really hard. If he's not used properly he's of no more help to our attack than Obertan. I think it's in everyones best interest that he's taken out of the team now. He did more than just that in that game. He always looks to go to centre of the field which he should not do so often as a wide player. He should be played in behind a striker. He's one of the few players we have who can run with the ball with pace and also get a shot off. According to ESPN in 6 league games he's taken a total of 8 shots with 3 on target 0 goals and the 1 aforementioned assist. For comparison also in 6 games our other "wide" man Sissoko has taken 8 shots with only 1 on target for 0 assists and 0 goals. Edited October 3, 2014 by OTF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 He did more than just that in that game. He always looks to go to centre of the field which he should not do so often as a wide player. He should be played in behind a striker. He's one of the few players we have who can run with the ball with pace and also get a shot off.But he's not being played there and he's not doing that. In the position he's being played he's doing fuck all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7297 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 But he's not being played there and he's not doing that. In the position he's being played he's doing fuck all. I never said he should be played in that position, but even still he's doing slightly more than fuck all. Obviously changes need to be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 I never said he should be played in that position, but even still he's doing slightly more than fuck all. Obviously changes need to be made.Very slightly. But my point was never he's a bad player, just that he's ineffective in the job he's supposed to be doing at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7297 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Very slightly. But my point was never he's a bad player, just that he's ineffective in the job he's supposed to be doing at the moment. And mine was that the same rings true for most of the side so I'm unsure why he's being singled out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 And mine was that the same rings true for most of the side so I'm unsure why he's being singled out.Because he's being played out of position and we have other (admittedly not great) options for that position. But Riviere's been poor and is probably going to be replaced by Cisse (certainly he will be when Cisse's considered fit enough). Both Dummett and Haidara have been poor and they've been replacing each other. There's been talk of Taylor coming in to replace Williamson. Cabella's been getting stick and so has Janmatt. So he's not being singled out. And his poor form goes back much further than a lot of the others and he's had less critisism than the likes of Williamson and Dummett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21943 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Lets face it, they've all been gash, we've nowt on the bench and a shite manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10858 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Lets face it, they've all been gash, we've nowt on the bench and a shite manager. Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEADMAN 0 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 makes no fucking difference if pardew goes after this game ashley will still be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4156 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Dummet is alright but the thing with Haidara is there's a chance he could be very good. If he played for a club that had proper coaches anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Swansea wil go through us like butter. 3-0 minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11393 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Bony is free to play according to the Beeb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 Can't see us getting anything vs Swansea. Not the way we're playing under our shithouse manager and coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2988 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 The way Swansea operate on and off the field show what a sham Pardew and Ashley are running with us. Â Another loss must be the end of Pardew so with that in mind 0-2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 We'll get fucking battered, Pardew will set up to defend for a 0-0 like usual and they'll score early then go 3 up before the half. Pardew will then keep the same system 2nd half but swap gouffran for Obertan and Riviere for Cisse, as Gomis gets the 4th and Swansea just pass the game out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2207 Posted October 3, 2014 Share Posted October 3, 2014 We'll get fucking battered, Pardew will set up to defend for a 0-0 like usual and they'll score early then go 3 up before the half. Pardew will then keep the same system 2nd half but swap gouffran for Obertan and Riviere for Cisse, as Gomis gets the 4th and Swansea just pass the game out. Then he'll go home and polish his trophy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 2 Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 it's just so fucking tragic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 We'll get fucking battered, Pardew will set up to defend for a 0-0 like usual and they'll score early then go 3 up before the half. Pardew will then keep the same system 2nd half but swap gouffran for Obertan and Riviere for Cisse, as Gomis gets the 4th and Swansea just pass the game out. My only concern is wether to get money on the 3-0 or the 4-0. Our CD's look nervy as fuck now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7297 Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Williamson can't be dropped no matter how many goals we concede. How depressing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 My only concern is wether to get money on the 3-0 or the 4-0. Our CD's look nervy as fuck now. Put a couple of quid on both mate yesterday Swansea 3-0 was 16-1 & 4-0 was 35-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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