Tooj 17 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Like how putting Sissoko on the left would totally negate our attacking threat from the left as we would need Dummett to overlap and provide width yet he is poor technically and doesn't have the pace for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I think he's just thrown out a formation without thought tbh. i.e laying it out as a 4-4-2 and claiming later it was a 4-2-3-1. wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15449 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Well he did have several hours of political contemplation to be getting on with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17130 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Obertan will shit himself playing against Stoke. Am not a big Obertan fan to day the very least,but didn't he score one and create one at Stoke on a Monday night about 3 years ago?....he didn't shit himself that night iirc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acrossthepond 874 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Am not a big Obertan fan to day the very least,but didn't he score one and create one at Stoke on a Monday night about 3 years ago?....he didn't shit himself that night iirc... That was Bolton away IIRC. Same level of nothing team though. Expecting a loss today. I think that as per usual we will find it difficult to score and difficult to stop from conceding goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3860 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 (edited) Am not a big Obertan fan to day the very least,but didn't he score one and create one at Stoke on a Monday night about 3 years ago?....he didn't shit himself that night iirc... Seems you dont remember correctly. He has scored two goals for us one against Blackburn and one against Bruge iirc. Edited September 29, 2014 by Kevin Carr's Gloves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 He did create a goal - he crossed to Ba to head in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3860 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 He did create a goal - he crossed to Ba to head in. In that case he'll be fine then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17130 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 There's no doubt he had one of his few good games at Stoke that night tbh. He's nowhere near consistent enough though and it just shows how the squad had been cut when he's banging on the door to be included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3860 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 There's no doubt he had one of his few good games at Stoke that night tbh. He's nowhere near consistent enough though and it just shows how the squad had been cut when he's banging on the door to be included. The only banging that Obertan should be involved in is being on the wrong end of a shotgun discharge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1224 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I'd never have anywhere near the faith in Obertan to start him in a reserve game let alone an important game like this. He's had the odd good patches of play in games (I've never seen him have a full good 90 minutes) but never been able to kick on from them. But I don't think it matters because as has already been said, Pardew won't play a 4-4-2 away to Stoke. We will be defensive as fuck and more than likely hopeless because of it. I fancy another twatting tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I think the players thought he'd be gone after Southampton. There is a big contrast between effort applied in that game and Hull at home. They weren't even trying at St.Mary's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1224 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 The players looked like they wanted him gone against Southampton. It has actually appeared since then that they are somewhat behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Not sure Cabella is ready for Stoke away. He'll find it taafff on a mild Monday night against Stoke. Regardless of Cabella Obertan is not the answer in any way, shape or form. He just can't handle Premiership games, he looks decent against lower opposition in early cup games and reserve games but seems to completely cave under pressure in Premiership matches. His decision making goes from decent to nightmarish and he goes from running at people with pace to tentatively dribbling the ball out of play. The lad is an athlete and has all the tools to be a decent to good player but he doesn't have the mentality for it tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Which is a funny one really as he's a clever bloke. I don't think there are many managers that would get a lot out of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Which is a funny one really as he's a clever bloke. I don't think there are many managers that would get a lot out of him Aye, I just think he can't handle pressure. He's okay coming on when you're ahead to harry, or threaten tired opposition but like you say I don't think many would get much more than that out of him, especially the winnet in charge at the moment. Shame we give up Routledge and got him tbh, as Routledge clearly had more upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted September 29, 2014 Author Share Posted September 29, 2014 He'll find it taafff on a mild Monday night against Stoke. Regardless of Cabella Obertan is not the answer in any way, shape or form. He just can't handle Premiership games, he looks decent against lower opposition in early cup games and reserve games but seems to completely cave under pressure in Premiership matches. His decision making goes from decent to nightmarish and he goes from running at people with pace to tentatively dribbling the ball out of play. The lad is an athlete and has all the tools to be a decent to good player but he doesn't have the mentality for it tbh. Thing is we have played shite since Xmas with the usual candidates AND Ben arfa is gone. It's not as though we have much to lose. Repeating the same tactics with the same players is asking for the same results. All we need is for him to create a few chances and it's game over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 (edited) Cabellina. Wears a pink tutu in training apparently. Edited September 29, 2014 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Aye, I just think he can't handle pressure. He's okay coming on when you're ahead to harry, or threaten tired opposition but like you say I don't think many would get much more than that out of him, especially the winnet in charge at the moment. Shame we give up Routledge and got him tbh, as Routledge clearly had more upside. Yeh I think if he was a bit dafter the pressure wouldn't get too him so much. There's having a brain and there's having a football brain, Wayne Rooney has a football brain but probably couldn't get the child cap off a bottle of Calpol. Routledge is a player I like now - but he's been shite everywhere. Laudrup sorted him out in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21861 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Damn. I can't think of an excuse not to watch this. My honest opinion: I think we'll win. Mainly because it'll keep Pardew in his job when most of us want him out. And we'll have to suffer another mind numbingly tedious season of treading water or flirting with relegation, boring, defensive football and the manager's annoying patter and excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21861 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Trust CT to be calling for Obertan to save the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Damn. I can't think of an excuse not to watch this. My honest opinion: I think we'll win. Mainly because it'll keep Pardew in his job when most of us want him out. And we'll have to suffer another mind numbingly tedious season of treading water or flirting with relegation, boring, defensive football and the manager's annoying patter and excuses. Nah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 As much as it's a contradiction I always want us to win - i.e I want rid of Pardew & know this match may be his last if we lose but I'll cheer us on - albeit from home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Trust CT to be calling for Obertan to save the day Whilst Sissoko is sat there on the left. Really confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4723 Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 I think Pardew will stay in regardless of the result or performance simply because Ashley has been called out in a paper saying he'd sack him if we lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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