Tooj 17 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Maradona scored 5 goals, his partner Valdano scored 4. He didn't single handedly win the World Cup, unless you're talking about the hand he punched a goal in with. Pele was benched for half of the 1954 WC and played in one of the greatest teams of all time in 1970. Not denying that they were awesome players, just challenging some of the usual shit that gets trotted out about the pair of them. Messi was an extra time away from winning a World Cup and has won more ballon dors and cups that nearly any player in history Pele was 13 in 1954. [emoji38] He didn't play until the USSR game in 1958 and along with Garrincha completely changed things in that tournament for Brazil. Never mind the fact that he was only 17. 1970 is arguably the best team of all time, yet Pele was the star and best player of that team without a shadow of a doubt. Brazil had also never won a World Cup before Pele and it took them 24 years after he retired to do so again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21922 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Maradona was the best I've ever saw, with due respect to Zidane who who class and Messi who could be the best. This. I never saw Pele live. Maradona is the greatest I've ever watched in a live game without question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 The whole "Best player of all time" argument is void because it is purely subjective, most played in a different generation and a lot of opinions are twisted due to how likeable a player is or what they have read about them in the past, most haven't even seen them play at a live game. For me the three best players I've seen play in my lifetime are Fat Ronaldo, Zidane and Messi. All world class players in their own right and all an absolute privilege to watch. Fat Ronaldo was simply unstoppable in his prime, he literally had ever asset you could ever need as a striker. Fucking brilliant. Zidane was absolutely majestic, my favourite footballer by a mile. It was like his boots were made of velvet the way he used to caress the football. Unreal. Messi makes his contemporaries look like schoolboys he is that good, some of the goals he scores would be literally impossible for the majority of the football world. He'll probably get another 500 before he finishes his career aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4156 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) My opinion is based on videos and documentaries of course, but leaving stats and world cup wins aside for a moment, some of the things Pele did on the field man. That somewhat lazyish close control style making international defenders look like utter idiots. Cant think of anyone since then who'd you draw a direct comparison with him in that respect, in terms of that unique style you know. Not sure how to put it exactly. While we keep hearing on and on about Maradona v Messi. Edited June 1, 2015 by aimaad22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4748 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 The whole "Best player of all time" argument is void because it is purely subjective, most played in a different generation and a lot of opinions are twisted due to how likeable a player is or what they have read about them in the past, most haven't even seen them play at a live game. Agree with that. Messi is the best I've seen by quite a margin. Ronaldo is impressive but doesn't float my boat in the same way, he does things that are incredible, his goalscoring speaks for itself but I've never seen him do something that seemed impossible. After that , for players I watched a lot, Ronaldinho at his best and Kaka around the time he won World Player of the Year were my favourites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Take away the 1970 World Cup and most of us will have seen very little of Pele in action.A few seconds/minutes in other World Cups and that's about it.We are seeing more of Messi and Ronaldo than Best,Charlton the makem,Maradona and other superstars put together.Many rave about Duncan Edwards but he played in an era where tv coverage was rare.We can say who is the best we have ever seen but it's impossible to compare say Messi with Pele.The makems did once ask on rtg `Messi or McClean'.Nowt wrong with that due to the amount of tv coverage available on both players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Only one man could shoe horn a story about mackems into a discussion about Pele/Maradonna/Messi/Ronaldo What a cartoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7083 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Messi or McClean is just a play on words, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7083 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 "Nah yus alreet marra, get anotha week oot that tracksuit" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Messi or McClean is just a play on words, isn't it? Probably, but not in essembee's fractured mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30610 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 It's a 1pm kick off for Ire v Eng. That fucks up my day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30610 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Still, I suppose it's preferable to you lot getting pissed and tearing up our shiny new stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 I had literally no idea this fixture was taking place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33197 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 I had literally no idea this fixture was taking place +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 We had to Google it in the pub on Friday night as one out of five had seen a story on the squad but no-one had any idea who we were playing when. Everyone knew the women were playing in the world cup like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33197 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Ewerk more bothered about England than the English on here it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33197 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Ewerk, the shamrock essembee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30610 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Obsessed tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33197 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Will Niall Quinn drive to the game smashed out of his skull, eh? Eh?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizza 105 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 +1 +2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33197 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Ewerk knew the game was on. Probably Ant did as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30610 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Well there have been some preparations required to welcome the traveling hoards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11376 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 +2 +3 Although judging by the state of the England squad these days I don't consider not knowing about this a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33197 Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 The people who knew this game was on are as follows....... 1. The British sports journalists who have a vested interest in pretending England games, (especially friendlies), are in any way relevant. 2. Half the Southern English football fans. 3. All of the few hundred Southern English 'No surrender' loons. 4. Every single Irish football fan North and South of the border and 3/4 of the rest of the Irish population who aren't arsed in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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