trophyshy 7083 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 That was going to be my point too, about as English as anything these days I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4747 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Joe Hart Fraser Forster Ben Foster Glen Johnson Phil Jones Gary Cahill Phil Jagielka Chris Smalling Leighton Baines Luke Shaw Steven Gerrard Jack Wilshere Jordan Henderson Frank Lampard James Milner Ross Barkley Adam Lallana Raheem Sterling Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain Wayne Rooney Daniel Sturridge Danny Welbeck Rickie Lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21912 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 no big surprises. lampard - why? he's finished. why not give another of the kids a go? milner - why? he's a workhorse clogger. jones - why? he's been of the shittest players in a shit man u side. fair enough picking players that play for big clubs, when they do well but man you have been awful. this season. ditto chris smalling ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizza 105 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Lampard FFS, hope hes there as back up and not part of the starting 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21912 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 at least cleverly isn't on the plane ... though worringly he is on standby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30554 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 no big surprises. lampard - why? he's finished. why not give another of the kids a go? milner - why? he's a workhorse clogger. jones - why? he's been of the shittest players in a shit man u side. fair enough picking players that play for big clubs, when they do well but man you have been awful. this season. ditto chris smalling ffs Who would you have in ahead of Lampard and Milner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Milner has turned in some cracking performances for City. Pellegrini doesnt put him in the side because of some quota system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21912 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 i know he's hardly one for the future but i'd have taken carrick over lampard. at least he tries to keep the ball. ball retention is so important at international level and lampard is just like gerrard in that respect - gives it away far too cheaply, far too often. plus how many goes does he deserve? he's also proved time and time again that he can't play alongside gerrard. i'd have given stones ago ahead of jones or smalling. milner is more difficult to leave out. ideally townsend or wallcott would have been there ahead of him but obviously that's not happening because of injuries. you arguably could have taken an extra striker instead. it always used to be 5 strikers in a squad instead of 4, but i'm guessing hodgson fancies playing one up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21912 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 actually i would have taken flanagan ahead of jones and stones ahead of smalling. two very average players that haven't had great seasons getting in on the back of the fact they play for man u, despite the fact the fact man u have been pony this season. whereas the two kids from liverpool and everton have both had quality seasons, from what i've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21912 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Milner has turned in some cracking performances for City. Pellegrini doesnt put him in the side because of some quota system. meh. he's a workhorse for me like. but hodgson loves that sort of player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Paul Merson was saying yesterday Barkley in the hole and Rooney in midfield as he reckons Barkley is better than Rooney in that position. That's all very well but ignores the fact that we will come up against teams who will pass it better than us and hit us on the break. The problem with those midfield options is there no one who naturally sits deeper who can be relied upon defensively. Gerrard is playing a deep role for Liverpool but there defensive frailty starts with his lack of pace and propensity to end up on his arse. Lallana, Henderson, Wilshere, Sterling and Barkley should all be given the chance but for them to be effective we need some midfield solidity. That's also one of the worst back lines we have taken to a major tournament in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10849 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 meh. he's a workhorse for me like. but hodgson loves that sort of player I think he's technically sound, tactically savy... genuinely underrated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21912 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I think he's technically sound, tactically savy... genuinely underrated i always thought he was over-rated myself. pretty slow. he's got a trick or two but lacks the pace to beat the best fullbacks. he works hard and he can play in different positions so i can see why hodgson likes him. he looks better suited to playing through the middle to me, or just off the striker, but no manager ever seems to fancy him there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21912 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Paul Merson was saying yesterday Barkley in the hole and Rooney in midfield as he reckons Barkley is better than Rooney in that position. That's all very well but ignores the fact that we will come up against teams who will pass it better than us and hit us on the break. The problem with those midfield options is there no one who naturally sits deeper who can be relied upon defensively. Gerrard is playing a deep role for Liverpool but there defensive frailty starts with his lack of pace and propensity to end up on his arse. Lallana, Henderson, Wilshere, Sterling and Barkley should all be given the chance but for them to be effective we need some midfield solidity. That's also one of the worst back lines we have taken to a major tournament in a long time. it's a long way from ince and batty in midfield with adams and campbell behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I think he's technically sound, tactically savy... genuinely underrated Same, very under rated player. I can understand Smalling and Jones inclusion, they'll probably be the first choice pairing come Euro 2016 so giving them a bit of experience this tournament will only be good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30554 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Can't see them ever being the first choice CBs. Cahill is coming on very well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneColdStephenIreland 74 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Forgot Cahill's only 28, one of them will probably become 1st choice as Jagielka pushing on isnt he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21912 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Same, very under rated player. I can understand Smalling and Jones inclusion, they'll probably be the first choice pairing come Euro 2016 so giving them a bit of experience this tournament will only be good. smalling? he's always looked gash to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 He's done well for me Hodgson, though I'd have taken Carroll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21912 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 carroll's only scored twice all season though. lambert's got a few goals over two seasons now and he did well when he got the chance for england. the only way i'd have taken both would have been at the expense of milner or lampard. agree with chez that the lack of a natural ball winning midfielder looks the weakest area of the squad - that and the defence, which is probably the weakest in living memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I think out and out ball-winning midfielders are can be detrimental to teams at the very top level, Gerrard and Henderson both have plenty of steel alongside good ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 carroll's only scored twice all season though. lambert's got a few goals over two seasons now and he did well when he got the chance for england. the only way i'd have taken both would have been at the expense of milner or lampard. agree with chez that the lack of a natural ball winning midfielder looks the weakest area of the squad - that and the defence, which is probably the weakest in living memory. I don't think I'd take Welbeck. There's something very English about having a big cunt to stick on if it's not working. Plus I just like him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizza 105 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 Picked the best squad he could I suppose, I probably would've taken Carroll over Welbeck mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatty 24 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 (edited) I'm really not happy with his preference for selecting players with possible potential over experienced internationals plus other currently better players. Shaw over Cole is the elephant in the squad, but I don't see why Stones or Flanagan make the reserve list. The later was schooled by Debuchy and Sissoko on the last day and made a hasty retreat to the bench at half time. You pick your strongest players and go to win. You do not select a bunch of youngsters and go to provide them with experience. Otherwise, it seems like a stronger 23 compared to the guys who failed in South Africa 4 years ago. Edited May 12, 2014 by beatty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44805 Posted May 12, 2014 Share Posted May 12, 2014 If you have zero hope of winning, then giving players experience is a great idea for the longer term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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