The Fish 10971 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Not really been fit for the last few weeks tbf. Monday was a bit of a comeback game for him for the reserves. Interesting to note that he played on the wing in that game. Yeah was chatting about that, him and Haidara apparently swapped roles during the game. Lazaar's always been an attacking fullback/winger hasn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1260 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Yeah was chatting about that, him and Haidara apparently swapped roles during the game. Lazaar's always been an attacking fullback/winger hasn't he? I think so. He's certainly looked more like an attacking player in the limited minutes I've seen him have so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooneyToony 41 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 That's all folks So you subscribe to the theory that continually buying 10 mill players will get us out of this seemingly endless relegation loop? I'm not saying that buying a 35+ mill player will solve everything, but if we are ever serious about contending for Europe then the players we want are going to cost money, no? Or have you guys become indifferent about the clubs future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35588 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooneyToony 41 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 You guys are still laughing, huh? Okay, I'm a good sport. I can take a hint. But I still think that if we go up this season, sooner or later we are going to need to scout the players that are going to cost more than what we usually pay for and splash the cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31209 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 I think we almost certainly will spend more than we were under Pardew. I doubt that Rafa would have taken the job had he not had assurances about serious funds for the 'project'. Not sure we'll be buying too many at £35m+ though, there's still only about 25 players in history who have moved for that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5299 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 I'd be happy if we exceeded £20m in terms of a statement of intent in fairness. That said, I'm not convinced that these massive amounts are actually bringing in quality for the teams spending them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15724 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 I think we almost certainly will spend more than we were under Pardew. I doubt that Rafa would have taken the job had he not had assurances about serious funds for the 'project'. Not sure we'll be buying too many at £35m+ though, there's still only about 25 players in history who have moved for that much. And one of them is Andy Carroll. I have no point to make, it's just fun to remember that sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10971 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Never understood why when some people talking about getting a high calibre player in, they talk about the fee. The fee doesn't dictate the standard, Carroll went for £35m, Sissoko for £30m, Spurs bought Rebrov for £15m in 2000, what about Robinho*, Veron? Talk about the need for a top player, fine, but don't use their fee as the measure of quality. That's just a bit fucking silly. *It can be argued that the Robinho purchase changed perception of Man City as a club and that in itself was worth the outlay, but fuck that noise, AMIRITE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooneyToony 41 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Well, Fish, I agree that you can find quality players at reasonable prices, but for a proven top-notch player that helps your team stay at or near the top, a superstar, year in year out and not just for one or two seasons? They do cost a lot more money. And in football, as in many things in life, a price tag usually dictates the type of quality. That doesn't mean all of them are worth it, but neither are many of the 10 million type, are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 43080 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Didn't we pay under £1Million for Rob Lee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooneyToony 41 Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Diego Maradona went for only like 6 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10971 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Well, Fish, I agree that you can find quality players at reasonable prices, but for a proven top-notch player that helps your team stay at or near the top, a superstar, year in year out and not just for one or two seasons? They do cost a lot more money. And in football, as in many things in life, a price tag usually dictates the type of quality. That doesn't mean all of them are worth it, but neither are many of the 10 million type, are they? I'm not talking about worth, the market dictates that. I'm talking about someone saying "We need a £35m player if we're going to compete." It's nonsense. We might only be lacking a defensive midfielder, who rarely go for anywhere near £35m. We might need a 'keeper and unless we're buying Donnarumma (sp?) I doubt we'd be spending £35m! We might need to spend money on a couple of fullbacks and at that time we spend £35m combined, but we're not off to sign the best fullback on the planet. £35m is a huge sum, even in these days. If you meant that if we are to kick on and aim for the top half we'll need a reliable top flight goal scorer, that's reasonable, but who knows who will be available and who knows what they'll cost? Also, Newcastle United cannot attract £35m players at the moment, nor will we be able to for another season or two at least. It's lunacy to declare that if we're to compete we need a £35m player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie 0 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Don't know if anyone has already posted this but it's quite an interesting summary of Rafa's transfers from a LIverpool supporter's perspective. I'm looking forward to seeing how he can develop this squad from here on (provided Ashley doesn't do owt daft, which still seems a pretty fucking big proviso to me). http://lfcstats.co.uk/rafatransfers.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10971 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Don't know if anyone has already posted this but it's quite an interesting summary of Rafa's transfers from a LIverpool supporter's perspective. I'm looking forward to seeing how he can develop this squad from here on (provided Ashley doesn't do owt daft, which still seems a pretty fucking big proviso to me). http://lfcstats.co.uk/rafatransfers.html That's a very biased review of Benitez's transfer deals at Liverpool mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5299 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Still interesting though - seems good at 'management' as well as just tactics and football. He's going to be a damn sight better than the Charnley-Carr combo from our last couple of seasons anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10971 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Still interesting though - seems good at 'management' as well as just tactics and football. He's going to be a damn sight better than the Charnley-Carr combo from our last couple of seasons anyway. No doubt. I think if that was a review written by an impartial journalist, or even a Liverpool fan who has the benefit of hindsight after a few years I'd take it more seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie 0 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Based on the players I know anything about it seems like quite a well reasoned analysis. The fact that it's written by a supporter who sounds like he knows his onions gives it more value than if it had been written by a journalist imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7174 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 There's only Dossena, Aquilani and Glen Johnson who were expensive flops though. That's balanced out by the money made on Torres, Alonso, Mascherano etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie 0 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) Exactly - his signings record there was excellent really. 15 mil yearly net spend on average to achieve those league placings is tremendous, not to mention the cup wins Edited November 25, 2016 by Dickie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22162 Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Yeah, no one would be complaining if he managed anything close to that for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10971 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Robert Snodgrass has turned down a contract with Hull. Worth a bid in January? Fits the bill for Rafa's Newcastle in terms of endeavour and ability, too good for the Championship, probably good enough for the Premier League, addresses the weaknesses in the wide position and can play through the centre too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5299 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Not sure about that one... he's ok but do we need him and could we get better next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4859 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Robert Snodgrass has turned down a contract with Hull. Worth a bid in January? Fits the bill for Rafa's Newcastle in terms of endeavour and ability, too good for the Championship, probably good enough for the Premier League, addresses the weaknesses in the wide position and can play through the centre too. Nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 22162 Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Have we been linked with anyone yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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