Christmas Tree 4679 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 It's not a low blow at all and the ridiculous argument is yours. You're advocating bringing in loan signings who you don't know with the only justification seemingly being if we can only get them on loan they must be better players. I already stated in the Hayden thread that I'd prefer not to bring in loan players as it only benefits the parent club so no I wouldn't be particularly happy if we brought in loan signings. I'd only be happy about it if it brought in a quality player who's ready to walk straight into the team. Clubs don't loan those sort of players out to second tier teams though. They loan young kids they want you to develop or problem players. I don't see how it benefits us to bring in either. For the record, Gayle doesn't massively excite me but I do think he's good enough to get 15 goals + this season. I'm also confident Mitro will score 20+. Neither of those players excite you but are more than capable in the league we are in. You only have to look at the records of players like Cameron Jerome, Abel Hernandez and Danny Murphy. In this league they've banged them in but they all have considerably worse records than our strikers in the premier league. I advocated loan signings from top clubs and gave the example of Bamford at Boro. A first team regular who got them 17 goals. I don't know who the equivalent of "a Bamford" is this year. As for Mitro and Gayle, I hope you are right, but as everyone goes on about this being a very tough league to get out of, I would be happier if we had a better quality striker come in before the season starts, either bought or on loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19860 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Loan signings IMO only benefit teams lower down the league looking at strengthening their squad in terms of depth or teams in League 1 and below. We are a team that should be winning the Championship next season therefore we shouldnt be looking at short term buys, we need to be looking at players who can do a job in the Prem too. Maybe not first team but from the bench. IMO thats why Rafa has got the players he has. The players you're talking about CT are players clearly not making their mark in the 'top' teams. We have bought too many of them in the past and failed with them.In Rafa I trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4679 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 CT left wondering why his underpants are now on inside out and back to front. not at all, this is classic TT CT bating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15363 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 "Exciting" loan signings = splurging hundreds on a new hobby for instant gratification without thinking about the longer term. It all makes sense now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1219 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 I advocated loan signings from top clubs and gave the example of Bamford at Boro. A first team regular who got them 17 goals. I don't know who the equivalent of "a Bamford" is this year. As for Mitro and Gayle, I hope you are right, but as everyone goes on about this being a very tough league to get out of, I would be happier if we had a better quality striker come in before the season starts, either bought or on loan. For Bamford I refer you back to the players I already mentioned. He's another who did well in the championship but did fuck all in the premier league. In fact he was behind Gayle in the pecking order at Palace. We basically already have better players than the types you are talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32707 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 He's not excited And he just can't hide it, (No, no, no, no), The taxi's going to lose control And he doesn't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19860 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 For Bamford I refer you back to the players I already mentioned. He's another who did well in the championship but did fuck all in the premier league. In fact he was behind Gayle in the pecking order at Palace. We basically already have better players than the types you are talking about. Aye, but does it excite you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19860 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 He's not excited And he just can't hide it, (No, no, no, no), The taxi's going to lose control And he doesn't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howay 12496 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Gayle got 13 in 29 for Peterborough in the championship = not exciting, Bamford who got 17 in 39 = exciting. Also Bamford has been fucking diabolical at the PL level and Gayle has managed about 1 in 4 as a sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34782 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 not at all, this is classic TT CT bating. Difficult to know whether you believe this to be the case or if you're not as daft as you're making out. Erring towards the former tbh. You're arguing with people who know what they're talking about after already admitting (and taking some sort of perverse pride in the fact) you don't and claim it's just baiting when people argue with you? It's certainly 'classic' behaviour anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4679 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Difficult to know whether you believe this to be the case or if you're not as daft as you're making out. Erring towards the former tbh. You're arguing with people who know what they're talking about after already admitting (and taking some sort of perverse pride in the fact) you don't and claim it's just baiting when people argue with you? It's certainly 'classic' behaviour anyway. Give over Not considering Dwight Gayle exciting and hoping Rafa could get a couple of decent loans from Arsenal or Man City doesn't quite warrant 3 pages. Especially when others have said Rafa might "bolster the squad predominantly with season long loans. Makes no sense to buy for the championship", and nobody said boo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19860 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Give over Not considering Dwight Gayle exciting and hoping Rafa could get a couple of decent loans from Arsenal or Man City doesn't quite warrant 3 pages. Especially when others have said Rafa might "bolster the squad predominantly with season long loans. Makes no sense to buy for the championship", and nobody said boo. Like DK said From them two clubs who would you suggest as a loan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10682 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Give over Not considering Dwight Gayle exciting and hoping Rafa could get a couple of decent loans from Arsenal or Man City doesn't quite warrant 3 pages. Especially when others have said Rafa might "bolster the squad predominantly with season long loans. Makes no sense to buy for the championship", and nobody said boo. Who said this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4679 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 (edited) Who said this?It's immaterial who said it. If I'd said it however Edited July 27, 2016 by Christmas Tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21794 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 we're all out to get you, CT. it's nothing to do with you being on the wind up in 99% of your posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4679 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Like DK said From them two clubs who would you suggest as a loan? Like I've repeatedly said, how would I know? Surely you or others who watch a lot of football know decent players at these teams who are unlikely to get a game but would walk into our team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10682 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 It's immaterial who said it. If I'd said it however You're right, it doesn't matter who said it as long as someone did, but I can't find anyone saying that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 It's as if, after admitting that you're clueless about football, that your opinion holds no weight with anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10682 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Like I've repeatedly said, how would I know? Surely you or others who watch a lot of football know decent players at these teams who are unlikely to get a game but would walk into our team? There are more players that we could sign permanently that are improvements to our side from the wider world, than there are fringe players at top clubs who would join us on loan. We'd be better off buying Che Adams than loaning Patrick Bamford. We'd be better off owning the Atletico Madrid fullback, than borrowing Spurs 4th choice fullback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4679 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 we're all out to get you, CT. it's nothing to do with you being on the wind up in 99% of your posts I suppose the crux is that I'm unable to spot any wummary in hoping my team gets a better striker than Dwight Gayle or hoping Rafa could use his contacts and coaching credentials to persuade some quality none first team players from the top clubs to come here. I'm sure you can point out what's wrong with the above hopes of a fan. I'll wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4679 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 You're right, it doesn't matter who said it as long as someone did, but I can't find anyone saying that. Well I did and I'm avoiding dragging that person into it. The point still stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19860 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 I suppose the crux is that I'm unable to spot any wummary in hoping my team gets a better striker than Dwight Gayle or hoping Rafa could use his contacts and coaching credentials to persuade some quality none first team players from the top clubs to come here. I'm sure you can point out what's wrong with the above hopes of a fan. I'll wait. 'Quality none first team players' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4679 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 'Quality none first team players' Man city will have players who are unlikely to feature this season for them but would do well for us. Do you not agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34782 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 'Quality none first team players' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10682 Posted July 27, 2016 Share Posted July 27, 2016 Well I did and I'm avoiding dragging that person into it. The point still stands. I literally googled that phrase in Toontastic and it didn't return anything. I'd like to know the context of that assertion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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