Gemmill 46231 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 I think it might be pub morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33996 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Well I would have thought Rafa would have got onto his many pals in the prem and taken some very exciting (not quite first team squad) players on loan. Surely Man City, Arsenal etc must have their versions of Alan Armstrong etc that would benefit from a good season under Rafa. https://goo.gl/images/eex0IwArmstrong's had a hard paper round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4866 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Not sure I'm really coming up with anything really controversial here. Naturally (and you all know this), I don't even know the majority of first team players at the top clubs, never mind the squad players, but surely there must be some top talent sitting around kicking their heels. Didn't Patrick Bamford score at hat load for boro a year or two back? Same with Darren Bent and Tom Ince on loan at Derby. Of course you'll all (as usual) change your view when Rafa pulls a couple off in the next few weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35670 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Not sure I'm really coming up with anything really controversial here. Naturally (and you all know this), I don't even know the majority of first team players at the top clubs, never mind the squad players, but surely there must be some top talent sitting around kicking their heels. Didn't Patrick Bamford score at hat load for boro a year or two back? Same with Darren Bent and Tom Ince on loan at Derby. Of course you'll all (as usual) change your view when Rafa pulls a couple off in the next few weeks Wasn't expecting the prediction of a sex scandal like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 14094 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Has everyone stopped replying to him in the Politics thread or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4866 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Has everyone stopped replying to him in the Politics thread or something? Listen fuck face, I've given you the summer off, even the euros. But now, I have to get in shape for the big kick off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10978 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Not sure I'm really coming up with anything really controversial here. Naturally (and you all know this), I don't even know the majority of first team players at the top clubs, never mind the squad players, but surely there must be some top talent sitting around kicking their heels. Didn't Patrick Bamford score at hat load for boro a year or two back? Same with Darren Bent and Tom Ince on loan at Derby. Of course you'll all (as usual) change your view when Rafa pulls a couple off in the next few weeks As has been said, loaning players doesn't really benefit a club like Newcastle. Say the player has a great season and is integral in our promotion, well the loaning club will take him back and we have to gamble on a replacement. If this young player grows into a better player because of first team games and working with Benitez, we have effectively wasted that effort and done a favour for the loaning club. We'd be better off buying a young player permanently safe in the knowledge we can still flog them on for reasonable sums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4866 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 As has been said, loaning players doesn't really benefit a club like Newcastle. Say the player has a great season and is integral in our promotion, well the loaning club will take him back and we have to gamble on a replacement. If this young player grows into a better player because of first team games and working with Benitez, we have effectively wasted that effort and done a favour for the loaning club. We'd be better off buying a young player permanently safe in the knowledge we can still flog them on for reasonable sums. Great if we get the right quality players bought, but if not I'd be just as happy with a couple of quality Loan deals that get us up and then let Rafa buy again for the prem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10978 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Great if we get the right quality players bought, but if not I'd be just as happy with a couple of quality Loan deals that get us up and then let Rafa buy again for the prem. So, to be clear, you'd be happy if quality players were brought in on a short or long term basis? What's the benefit of loaning players vs buying them though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4866 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 So, to be clear, you'd be happy if quality players were brought in on a short or long term basis? What's the benefit of loaning players vs buying them though? ????? I'm very happy if we can buy all the players we need to get promoted and who can stay in the prem. If we can't attract the right quality because of our position, I'm quite happy for Rafa to loan the talent that's not getting a game at the big clubs to get us up. As I say, like Bamford to Boro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46231 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 CT likes his players like he likes his street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35670 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10978 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 ????? I'm very happy if we can buy all the players we need to get promoted and who can stay in the prem. If we can't attract the right quality because of our position, I'm quite happy for Rafa to loan the talent that's not getting a game at the big clubs to get us up. As I say, like Bamford to Boro. Ok, to sooth your nerves, we already have a team that is likely to be pushing for an automatic promotion spot. Signing Ritchie and Hayden and Hanley (to a lesser extent) shows we are still a big draw to players, with the first of those 2 swapping Premier League fringe for Championship 1st team. I don't think we can sign the likes of the Dutch player of the year but; We've a very healthy bank balance which will only get healthier when we sell Sissoko (and maybe others), We're the biggest team in that division We've a top class manager, We've a strong core to the side and that core is of lower-Premier League standard We've a single minded focus on getting promoted at the first time of asking We're a very attractive side for Championship starters and for Premier League bench warmers, plus players in leagues that will see us as a viable entrance to the Premier league, so we don't need to rely on loaning yet. also, you're yet to say what the virtue to loaning a player actually is. What's the actual benefit in it? The things you've mentioned could be achieved by permanently signing the kind of player that will be available to loan (see Hayden as proof) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4866 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Ok, to sooth your nerves, we already have a team that is likely to be pushing for an automatic promotion spot. Signing Ritchie and Hayden and Hanley (to a lesser extent) shows we are still a big draw to players, with the first of those 2 swapping Premier League fringe for Championship 1st team. I don't think we can sign the likes of the Dutch player of the year but; We've a very healthy bank balance which will only get healthier when we sell Sissoko (and maybe others), We're the biggest team in that division We've a top class manager, We've a strong core to the side and that core is of lower-Premier League standard We've a single minded focus on getting promoted at the first time of asking We're a very attractive side for Championship starters and for Premier League bench warmers, plus players in leagues that will see us as a viable entrance to the Premier league, so we don't need to rely on loaning yet. also, you're yet to say what the virtue to loaning a player actually is. What's the actual benefit in it? The things you've mentioned could be achieved by permanently signing the kind of player that will be available to loan (see Hayden as proof) I think I made it perfectly clear in my last post. If for whatever reason we are unable to buy a particular player in a position but get the chance of a quality loanee then happy days imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10978 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 I think I made it perfectly clear in my last post. If for whatever reason we are unable to buy a particular player in a position but get the chance of a quality loanee then happy days imo. Ok, I'll go through it one more time; The kind of player that will be available to get on loan, we can attract on a full time basis... As proven by our acquisition of Gayle(fringe player at moderate club), Hayden(young player at top club) and Ritchie (1st team player at lower club). So given we have proven we can get a particular player in a position, why would we loan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Darren Bent. [emoji38] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4866 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Ok, I'll go through it one more time; The kind of player that will be available to get on loan, we can attract on a full time basis... As proven by our acquisition of Gayle(fringe player at moderate club), Hayden(young player at top club) and Ritchie (1st team player at lower club). So given we have proven we can get a particular player in a position, why would we loan? Jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4866 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Darren Bent. [emoji38] 10 goals from 15 appearances. Nowt wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10978 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Jesus Good answer. what a knacker you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10978 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 10 goals from 15 appearances. Nowt wrong with that. ... or 2 from 21 which is his most recent return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4866 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 ... or 2 from 21 which is his most recent return. But that has nothing to do with his loan spell being successful All a bit silly this. I'm out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5356 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Well I feel I learned a lot in this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4866 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Well I feel I learned a lot in this discussion. There was nowt to discuss to be fair Hoping that Rafa might use a few contacts to get a bit of quality in to get us promoted is normally not controversial. (Unless it's a quiet day on TT) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10978 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 But that has nothing to do with his loan spell being successful All a bit silly this. I'm out. ... You're saying we should go for a 32yr old striker who only managed 2 in 21 last season, because he scored 10 in 15, 2 years ago? Jesus wept, stick to general chat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4866 Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 ... You're saying we should go for a 32yr old striker who only managed 2 in 21 last season, because he scored 10 in 15, 2 years ago? Jesus wept, stick to general chat. I'm back. I never said that as you know fine well. Him Bamford and Ince were past examples of championship clubs making decent loan signings. Trot on. I'm out again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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