Ken 119 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Hardly their fault they're using a standard flight path. There's Qatar, Singapore, Thai, Air India etc. planes in the same airspace as I write this. All are guilty of compromising the safety of their passengers. Hostile territory. Fighter plane shot down yesterday, so it was potential for disaster that has been met today. The fact it is another Malaysia Airlines airbus puts that company at serious risk now. Their repuation is in complete ruin now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15518 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 All are guilty of compromising the safety of their passengers. Hostile territory. Fighter plane shot down yesterday, so it was potential for disaster that has been met today. The fact it is another Malaysia Airlines airbus puts that company at serious risk now. Their repuation is in complete ruin now. They may well bite the dust because people are idiots, I agree. Brands can become toxic for all kinds of reasons. I assume the fighter plane was flying at slightly lower than 33,000 feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClubSpinDoctor 0 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Shit will hit the fan over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21592 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Fucking hell, this is shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21592 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Not sure why this airliner was on a flight path that was over hostile territory, particularly after a Ukrainian fighter jet was shot down yesterday not far away from this location. Malaysia Airlines is fucking third world and can never be trusted again. Talk about jumping in feet first without knowing the full facts. Disgraceful comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ 0 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Whether it's fair or not, Malaysian Airlines is badly fucked. 2 massive incidents in 4 months. People don't forget. Dire incident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graing 15 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Just saw this : Russian national and self admitted FSB Colonel Igor Girkin admits they shot it down. They thought it was a Ukrainian An-26 supply plane: https://twitter.com/myroslavapetsa/status/489795820070658048 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10855 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) I don't know a great deal about RADAR, but wouldn't a 777 have a different profile than, say, a military transpor? or are they sufficiently similar for someone to make a tragic error? Edit: Nevermind, just saw Graing's post. What a tragedy. Edited July 17, 2014 by The Fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizza 105 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Mental. Malaysian Airlines again too, wouldn't get me anywhere near one of their planes now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I don't know a great deal about RADAR, but wouldn't a 777 have a different profile than, say, a military transpor? or are they sufficiently similar for someone to make a tragic error? Edit: Nevermind, just saw Graing's post. What a tragedy. He's rescinded his comments now. I assume radar wasn't used, it's a case of point and shoot with a SAM missile id imagine. The bigger worry is Russia providing pro Russia separatists in Ukraine with weapons like this. It's effectively an act of war on behalf of Russia. WW3 around the corner? Also very bizarre that it's the 2nd Malaysian airlines incident. Hearing rumours it had strayed from its flight path too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graing 15 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 He's rescinded his comments now. I assume radar wasn't used, it's a case of point and shoot with a SAM missile id imagine. The bigger worry is Russia providing pro Russia separatists in Ukraine with weapons like this. It's effectively an act of war on behalf of Russia. WW3 around the corner? Also very bizarre that it's the 2nd Malaysian airlines incident. Hearing rumours it had strayed from its flight path too He's rescinded after he heard it was commercial and not an An-26. Apparently he posted videos with his earlier post - then scrubbed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Very, very worrying. Could just be coincidence about the previous missing plane (bound to be in fact), but what the fuck is Putin playing at here... Can only conclude that this was done independently of the Kremlin. 250 people though, there should be hell to pay for that. Perverse as throwing more lives after those already lost would be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausman 0 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 I don't know a great deal about RADAR, but wouldn't a 777 have a different profile than, say, a military transpor? or are they sufficiently similar for someone to make a tragic error? Edit: Nevermind, just saw Graing's post. What a tragedy. Exactly! all civilian planes have different radar profile. So it's hardly Malaysian airlines fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) Well, except the no fly zone was for 32,000 feet, and they were flying at 33,000 feet to save about 15 mins journey time. I mean yeah, they're not breaching the NFZ, but they're cutting it pretty damn close. Not that they were the only ones. Edited July 17, 2014 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmag 337 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 My friend was on the same flight last Thursday visiting her parents in Malaysia. Brings it home really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 It seems that the flight was routed over the location of the BUK missiles by the Ukraine... Don't really know what to make of that... they can't possibly have known that the rebels would shoot it down. Although you have to think, it's the Ukraine that benefits from this - no one else does. They're a lot closed to having allied forces involved now than they were prior to it happening. That said, I don't think they did it. Much more likely it was the rebels, especially given that they claimed responsibility. I wonder if the Ukraine expected it though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30569 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 The EU has to get its finger out. The Russians can be thankful that it appears that there were no Americans on board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 (edited) I thought there were 20 Americans? And yes, I agree. The EU has a responsibility to stop this nonsense. It might even legitimise itself in the process... Edited July 17, 2014 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30569 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 154 Dutch nationals, 27 Australians, 23 Malaysians, 11 Indonesians Six Britons, four Germans, four Belgians, three from the Philippines and one Canadian All 15 of the crew were Malaysian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Apologies, I was going off something Biden said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 As daft as it sounds the fact the majority of the dead are westerners will have a bigger impact than if it was full of Malaysians. This isn't going to be allowed to lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Talk about jumping in feet first without knowing the full facts. Disgraceful comment. Not disgraceful at all. Flying over hostile territory is ridiculous. Inexcusable. These "Russian seperatists'' are just street thugs. They don't have any proper protocol to follow. The fact they are armed with such deadly weapons is of most concern, but international aviation authorities having allowed flights over unsafe tertitory is more so for me. Malaysia Airlines has a lot to answer for again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 Vlad Putin further confirming what an arsehole he is; "Ukraine started this to begin with by not allowing Russia to cede parts of the country. If they had done this to begin with then we would not have had to give our brothers in Ukraine weapons of such capability and all this could have been avoided." http://www.smh.com.au/world/vladimir-putin-blames-ukraine-for-mh17-tragedy-20140718-zua9b.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 The little green man who was responsible; http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/prorussian-separatist-commander-igor-the-terrible-strelkov-allegedly-appears-on-mobile-phone-video-of-mh17-crash-saying-that-was-a-blast/story-fni0xs63-1226993406156 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAustin 0 Posted July 18, 2014 Share Posted July 18, 2014 The world is a much more dangerous place today following this. Someone must act to shut these fuckers down. If Putin does nothing, this could really take off. We all need to remember what happened 100 years ago following the shooting of an Archduke. This scares the shit out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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