Gemmill 44425 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Cornwall is mint. As the son of a Cornishman, I'd take up arms if he invaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5186 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Â Maybe we could shoot one of them down and blame the Ukrainians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 People do realise that if Russia wanted to take the whole of Ukraine it would happen in about 2 days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5186 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 I don't doubt it. I also don't think that the rest of the world would do anything (although I do think that the next thing Russia did would probably kick off an actual intervention) Â I would like to see an aging Russian military take on a competent modern force though. I suspect that they wouldn't be quite so bold... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) America/UK got mashed in Iraq and Afghanistan...(by local tribes)..We got out of Helmland asap... Â I can't imagine a stand up war with Russia...Nato would las about a week...It's badly organised with a coalition of the unwilling...It's one thing bombing civilians all over the planet it's another taking on Russia. Â America won't risk a nuclear exchange to save Europe. Think again. Edited February 19, 2015 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44425 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Cornwall's different. I know the terrain and I can eat things that would make a Billy goat puke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3843 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 America/UK got mashed in Iraq and Afghanistan...(by local tribes)..We got out of Helmland asap... Â Helmland is my favouite shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Cornwall's different. I know the terrain and I can eat things that would make a Billy goat puke. Your plan to survive on cream teas is a little short sighted fella... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15412 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Â Helmland is my favouite shop. Â Oh the iron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5186 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 America/UK got mashed in Iraq and Afghanistan...(by local tribes)..We got out of Helmland asap... Â I can't imagine a stand up war with Russia...Nato would las about a week...It's badly organised with a coalition of the unwilling...It's one thing bombing civilians all over the planet it's another taking on Russia. Â America won't risk a nuclear exchange to save Europe. Think again. Â Those are two very different kinds of war that you're talking about...although I don't actually think we'll have a seen a war like any that would come about from the West vs Russia Not sure any of us would survive it either. Â I think it's pretty easy to slate the American military, but they have been exceptionally clever in containment of Russia (look at where their military bases around the world are, from Osaka to Europe), and they've actually played a fucking good hand with the oil prices in the past couple of months. Yes the Afghan and Iraq wars were a shambles on the face of it, but they were never supposed to be examples of military precision - they were for political victories at home, and for the securing of oil - both of which were achieved. Â Putin is a hugely clever politician, but he succeeds because he does enough to make his point without doing so much that it forces Europe or the US into a position that they have to attack from. If Russia was so sure of itself in a fistfight with Europe, why hasn't it been more aggressive? It's because it's a charade. Â What is it about the Russian military's aging warplanes, ships, subs, and general lack of infrastructure that makes you think that they'd win a battle, head on, with the US or Europe? I don't even think Europe would need the US to become involved (although it'd get dragged in one way or another, and Russia would end up with a war on two fronts - a losing proposition from the outset). If Russia didn't have warheads, they'd have been taken out of the game years ago. Â Aside from all of this, Putin has much more to lose by continuing the aggression than Europe does. We've already moved/are moving to alternative fuel sources that make us less dependent on Russian oil. The Americans secured further reserves while getting 'mashed' in Afghanistan, and Russia was forced into an oil deal with the Chinese that they make a loss on for the next 15 years in an attempt to combat all of this. The Russian threat will die with Putin. Â It's the Chinese who will remake the world order. Using Russian resources, it would seem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 One of the few positives that's come from this recent conflict has been the broader exposure of RT as a mouthpiece for the Kremlin and a direct tool in the soft war on the west.  I remember discussing years ago the 'media' with someone who claimed that the BBC just broadcast the propaganda of the western elites and that RT was one of the only independent sources of information  I think it may have been Parky come to think of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9273 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) America/UK got mashed in Iraq and Afghanistan...(by local tribes)..We got out of Helmland asap... Russia got mashed in Afghanistan too, as has just about everyone from Alexander the Great onwards. Â Huge difference between Afghanistan and Ukraine in terms of the suitability of the landscape for modern armies to operate. Â This Cornwall thing (oh aye! spotted off Cornwall, tracked from Russian airspace more like) just like the 70's, was daily occurrence back then, Russian plane swans about in international airspace, turns towards UK, fighters scramble and escort it away, pilots waving to each other. Edited February 19, 2015 by Toonpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44425 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Who's RT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5186 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 RT - Russia Today. It's Russia's BBC/CNN equivalent. Â As with Chez, I've had some frustrating conversations with people over the years who felt that RT was some great bastion of factual accuracy and independent reporting. I think it's the hipster news channel to be honest. Â That said, they do cover stories that the Western press don't (about the West) so the argument works both ways. An awareness of a range of news sources is generally best, if time consuming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Who's RT? The cloned version of CT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 RT - Russia Today. It's Russia's BBC/CNN equivalent. Â As with Chez, I've had some frustrating conversations with people over the years who felt that RT was some great bastion of factual accuracy and independent reporting. I think it's the hipster news channel to be honest. Â That said, they do cover stories that the Western press don't (about the West) so the argument works both ways. An awareness of a range of news sources is generally best, if time consuming... The whole of the western media is corporate controlled and bent. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. Â The BBC coverage of the Palestine is a disgrace as is its coverage of Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 One of the few positives that's come from this recent conflict has been the broader exposure of RT as a mouthpiece for the Kremlin and a direct tool in the soft war on the west.  I remember discussing years ago the 'media' with someone who claimed that the BBC just broadcast the propaganda of the western elites and that RT was one of the only independent sources of information  I think it may have been Parky come to think of it. I go to RT and AlJazz if I want another POV. And why haven't you replied to my PM Bollinger BOy?!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5186 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) The whole of the western media is corporate controlled and bent. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. Â The BBC coverage of the Palestine is a disgrace as is its coverage of Ukraine. Â As proven by the Telegraph and Oborne this week. As I said though, it is possible to develop a balanced view by reading news from conflicting sides. The issue with RT is that many of the people who read it in the West do so because they are either a) hugely deluded about it's factual accuracy or b ) consider it to be a means of 'fighting the power'/resisting propaganda in the West. I think a news source with an agenda for exposing Western political maneuverings that isn't entirely funded by an oligarchy with strong anti-West sentiments is probably a better source of information for the latter group - but reading RT is considered 'edgy', which is the only reason I can think of that people in group b continue to read it. Edited February 19, 2015 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 (edited) Russia is being punished cause it didin't back down over Syria. Â NATO promised Gorbachev that it wouldn't infringe on Russina boundary states and it has done ever since. Â Russia has no choice reg Ukraine it can't allow an EU run Nato base on its doorstep. I hope we don't test this cause we will suffer not America. Â America is in deep shit with regard to BRICS and its failing economic and financial influnence blackmail all over the place inc Africa whre China is now cutting the deals. Â The Hawks in the Pentagon are psychotic. Edited February 19, 2015 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10750 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 R Â The Hawks in the Pentagon are psychotic. The ducks on the pond are suspicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 The fish in the lake are edgy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10750 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 The others in this thread aren't amused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44425 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 The rent boy is between jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34877 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34877 Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 One of the few positives that's come from this recent conflict has been the broader exposure of RT as a mouthpiece for the Kremlin and a direct tool in the soft war on the west. You only think that's case because you've been fed western propaganda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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