Happy Face 29 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 ...according to Dan Snow Not as bloody as Taiping rebellion, only 11% of soldiers died, you weren't in the trenches long, the upper class were as brave and suffered as badly as everyone else, plenty of meat, tabs, booze, guaranteed pay, camaraderie and blart on tap. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25776836 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Yeah WW3 will be a piece of piss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13676 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 The Somme was a big bloody piss up and that football match? Larking about at the tax payers expense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share Posted January 20, 2014 Impressed at the BBC taking the "it wasn't all that bad" approach to the centenary like. Though it's no surprise from the son of that poppyless bastard Peter. ...or is it Jon? Winter is coming anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3740 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 The thing is people can use the official stats in a misleading way. According to them only 704,803 died. But approximately 1.5 million were wounded with another 190,000 still listed as missing. And as per usual another posh cunt trying to make out the proles never had it so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share Posted January 20, 2014 It's been out a while and I know there's lots of listeners on here already, but I only got caught up with the most recent Hardcore History - Blueprint for Armageddon - last week.... http://www.dancarlin.com//disp.php/hharchive/Show-50---Blueprint-for-Armageddon-I/First%20World%20War-World%20War%20One-Great%20War Brilliant 3 hour podcast starting from the assassination of Franz Ferdinand and discussing the build up to war, the gathering of forces, the failure of diplomacy and the initial incursions into neutral land with comparisons back to the Napoleonic wars, Alexander the great and the Roman empire to show how unpresented the size of the conflict was going to be. Looking forward to the subsequent shows that take you through the war itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 29777 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I fail to see what Snow has said that is in any way offensive? He's not trying to portray it as a light hearted scuffle but doing what it says in the title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 41508 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I found some details about my Great Grand Uncle Henry who served and was killed on the first day of the Somme. He volunteered at Washington in September 1914 , joining the Border Regiment and saw his first action at Gallipoli in June 1915, surviving that he saw action at Suvla and had further training at Suez, before being shipped to France. The Regimental War Diary entry for 1st July 1916 is as follows, The War Diary of the 1st Battalion, Border Regiment for 1st July reads as follows: "Front Line, 7.30am The Battn (less 10%) advanced just south of Beaumont Hamel their objective being BEAUCOURT REDOUBT. The 27th SWB (South Wales Borderers), whose objective was the first two German lines, were wiped out by MACHINE GUN fire in our own wire. The 19th Battn, the BORDER REGIMENT then went over the top from our support line, and over our first line, the bridges over our front trench having been ranged by the GERMAN MACHINE GUNNERS the day previously, we met with heavy losses whilst crossing the bridges and passing through the lanes cut in the wire. The men were absolutely magnificent and, formed up as ordered outside our wire, made a right incline, and advanced into NO MAN'S LAND at a slow walk, also as ordered. The advance was continued until only little groups of half a dozen men were left here and there and these, finding that reinforcementswere in sight, took cover in shell holes or wherever they could. 8.00am: The advance was brought entirely to a standstill. 8.15am: Enemy re-opened his bombardment on our trenches for which our guns retaliated. 9.15am: LT COL ELLIS having been wounded was brought in by 8409 PTE NEWCOMBE, MAJOR MEIKLEJOHN (who had been in command of the 10th Yorks) assumed command of the Battn and collected all the men he could in the support line, as ordered by the BRIGADIER. 10.30am: The 10% ordered back to reserve line, where they stayed until next morning. Advance definitely given up on this sector. The Battn strength of those who took part in advance was Officers 23, Other Ranks809. Casualties among Officers - 2 killed, 4 missing believed killed, 2 wounded and missing, 12 missing. Other Ranks suffered 64 killed, 411 wounded and 144 missing." The bit in bold is the part that got me- the gaps in the wire were ranged by the German machine gunners the day before , and the brass were aware of it. Those poor buggers who made it through were then under orders to advance at a slow walk- running wasn't the done thing. Of 839 men from the Regiment , only 200 made it unscathed. All this took place in half an hour. Henry's body was never recovered and his name is on the memorial to the missing at Thiepval Dan Snow can fuck off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share Posted January 20, 2014 I fail to see what Snow has said that is in any way offensive? He's not trying to portray it as a light hearted scuffle but doing what it says in the title. I wasn't offended at all. I saw the advert for Paxman's new show yesterday and was thinking what a reverential WW1 filled year it is going to be. Was just surprised by the line being taken which challenged my assumption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3740 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I fail to see what Snow has said that is in any way offensive? He's not trying to portray it as a light hearted scuffle but doing what it says in the title. Glossing over the absolute shit leadership of the generals and the political nature of a war which had nothing to do with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 29777 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I don't think that was the point of the article though? I'm sure that area will be addressed in further coverage but I thought that the point of the article was fairly self-explanatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4281 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 They are selling the idea that the country and the recruits were more "happy" with the war than what we'd expect given how shit it was but I'd put that down to the disease of patriotism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14002 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 The BBC are in Cameron's back pocket man. They reported a 50'000 strong NHS protest as a protest about ''the standard of living'' with no mention to the health service. Anyway, WW1 wasn't that bad eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 29777 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 (edited) The BBC are in Cameron's back pocket man. And yet they'd tell you different http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/10581945/BBCs-office-noticeboard-sparks-fresh-row-over-Labour-bias.html You can't please all of the people all of the time. Edited January 20, 2014 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3740 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I don't think that was the point of the article though? I'm sure that area will be addressed in further coverage but I thought that the point of the article was fairly self-explanatory. Read the Lions led by Donkeys bit. Complete and unmitigated tosh. Can't differentiate between weapons. Strategy and tactics the fucking arsehole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 be interesting to see how dan snow would fare with a panzerfaust smashing through his conservatory and coming to rest in between his tits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooner 243 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 be interesting to see how dan snow would fare with a panzerfaust smashing through his conservatory and coming to rest in between his tits wrong war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 correct. dan snow was not alive at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5131 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 ...Wha? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 29777 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Read the Lions led by Donkeys bit. Complete and unmitigated tosh. Can't differentiate between weapons. Strategy and tactics the fucking arsehole. I've re-read it and I'm aware that you know your stuff on the armed forces but I fail to see how you can get so vexed about a few short paragraphs in an online article. Chillax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Going off the subject a touch,did any of our players die in ww1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 41508 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Going off the subject a touch,did any of our players die in ww1It seems several did. http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=15320 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Thank you for that.My great uncle, who never played for NUFC, died at the Somme in July 1916. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 41508 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 My GG Uncle did too, see my earlier post in this thread. (Don't tell anyone, but a great uncle , John Haggan, who married my grandfather's sister, played twice for the Unwashed. They got pasted both times . Good work Agent Haggan http://www.thestatcat.co.uk/webroot/Player.aspx?PlayerID=385 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
essembeeofsunderland 811 Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 My great uncle is also named on the Thiepval memorial.He died July 14th 1916. I visited the Somme recently to see his name.Have you been to the Somme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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