Renton 21393 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 I've never understood how you Americans do it. Pretty much all of my American friends are liberals, but have lunatic Republicans in their immediate family. How do you not mow them down at family gatherings? How do you not block them on Facebook? It's bad enough over here in a relatively secular part of the world that Facebook is filled with girl power platitudes and magic crystals. At least it's benign though. Not all magic crystals are benign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32826 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 I haven't lived in England for a couple of years, but I found it to be one of the most accepting and liberal places I've lived (granted it was London). I was there when they tried to set the place on fire, though, so maybe it's rose-coloured glasses. Did anyone actually talk to you in London? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Would be fantastic if Renton turned out to be a Wiccan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanMag 0 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 I've never understood how you Americans do it. Pretty much all of my American friends are liberals, but have lunatic Republicans in their immediate family. How do you not mow them down at family gatherings? How do you not block them on Facebook? It's bad enough over here in a relatively secular part of the world that Facebook is filled with girl power platitudes and magic crystals. At least it's benign though. I am the black sheep in the family as I am not an NRA member... I would say that a large majority of friends/family are gun owners.... which makes "mowing them down at family gatherings" dangerous as they would be better armed than me. If they post something on FB that I disagree with I just scroll right by... but after Orlando it is 98% of the posts. And it isn't just the conservatives... it is the liberals as well. For as many people talking about the "right to bear arms", there are just as many people talking about automatic weapons gunning down innocents in a blaze of glory. Both sides are the extreme and both sides are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Did anyone actually talk to you in London? Yeah, but I'm quite chatty anyway. Most people are very friendly once you engage, but I guess that's true everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 I am the black sheep in the family as I am not an NRA member... I would say that a large majority of friends/family are gun owners.... which makes "mowing them down at family gatherings" dangerous as they would be better armed than me. If they post something on FB that I disagree with I just scroll right by... but after Orlando it is 98% of the posts. And it isn't just the conservatives... it is the liberals as well. For as many people talking about the "right to bear arms", there are just as many people talking about automatic weapons gunning down innocents in a blaze of glory. Both sides are the extreme and both sides are wrong. It wouldn't be that bad if you kept the handguns, but the death tolls in these incidents could be cut by 90% without automatic weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanMag 0 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 It wouldn't be that bad if you kept the handguns, but the death tolls in these incidents could be cut by 90% without automatic weapons. Exactly, but the argument (for the Pro-guns) was that the weapon used was not an automatic but a semi-automatic and therefore it would be the same as having a semi-automatic handgun. The amount of bullets said gun can have in one clip is really the issue and even then, the pro-gun people don't think that is a problem either. So it isn't the gun or the laws allowing for guns which is the problem. It is the person who had the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32826 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 The USA is bordering on being a backward country. I don't know how the sane people can put up with the gun situation to be perfectly honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 They're a country of extremes, lots of great stuff comes out of there too (mainly Larry David tbf). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44495 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Don't get HMHM started on American "box sets". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21393 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Or "seasons". Or "United" in the context of the Manchester club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5186 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Just checked the Fox News coverage of the murder of Jo Cox - the comment section is essentially full of people stating that more guns would have allowed her to defend herself, and that this proves that banning guns doesn't make a difference... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanMag 0 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 The USA is bordering on being a backward country. I don't know how the sane people can put up with the gun situation to be perfectly honest. We are a backward country. Can't really deny that. We are behind on so many different areas that to think otherwise is foolish. I would argue that this is all due to being a "younger" country which isn't an excuse for the shortcomings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5186 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 (edited) We are a backward country. Can't really deny that. We are behind on so many different areas that to think otherwise is foolish. I would argue that this is all due to being a "younger" country which isn't an excuse for the shortcomings... I'd agree with that. Britain would have been much the same a century back, and some of it still creeps into our collective consciousness... Edited June 16, 2016 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Cheer up, @@AmericanMag you're only trapped in the Victorian era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32826 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 We are a backward country. Can't really deny that. We are behind on so many different areas that to think otherwise is foolish. I would argue that this is all due to being a "younger" country which isn't an excuse for the shortcomings...There's definitely an immaturity and a dog eat dog aspect to the US which has both helped and hindered your country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanMag 0 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 I'd agree with that. Britain would have been much the same a century back, and some of it still creeps into our collective consciousness... The collective consciousness is what is keeping the gun debate going. The other night, a talking head named Bill O'Reilly tried to explain the reason that Americans still love their guns so much is because of the fact that everyone had a gun to fight for independence and that it was their guns that allowed them to expand and settle in the west. Now obviously these scenarios no longer exist but the pro-gun will use the (mis)quote from Yamamoto during WWII where he said that he would not invade the US as there would be a rifle behind every blade of grass... and on it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanMag 0 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 Cheer up, @@AmericanMag you're only trapped in the Victorian era. Can't wait to reach the Edwardian Era and then things will really get going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5186 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 That's actually pretty interesting. I suppose there's a few generations worth of gun support to combat really... all the killings don't seem to make much difference though, which is the only odd thing. What do you think it would take to shake people out of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanMag 0 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 That's actually pretty interesting. I suppose there's a few generations worth of gun support to combat really... all the killings don't seem to make much difference though, which is the only odd thing. What do you think it would take to shake people out of it? I honestly don't know. America leads the world in mass shootings. America is one of the worst countries in gun deaths. Toddlers have killed more people by guns this year than terrorists... yet none of these (and other appearances on lists like these) seem to make any difference to a large portion of our population. Instead, they are fixated on the government interfering with their "God given rights" and trying to take something they hold valuable away. This is why I use the "young country" stance... it is like a little kid holding their toy tightly thinking that an adult is going to come and take it away from them. Another mass shooting like Orlando will only be met with "well, if there were people there with guns this wouldn't have happened..." Boggles the mind really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21393 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 If it wasn't for guns and god, the US would be quite a nice place. Some of it, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21847 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 The coasts are nice but there are some fucked u p states in between Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 Worth watching the 4 minute build up to the last 30 seconds of this. The wifey's an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44495 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 It almost seems like she's just there to jam up the debate and prevent anything sensible being said. She can't possibly think she was contributing anything to the conversation there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7009 Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 She's the master at a straw man argument like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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