PaddockLad 17244 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Obama isn't quite so teary when it comes to mass killing sprees in other countries mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 It's jarring when you hear someone you respect defending gun rights. Turns out Killer Mike is very pro-gun, and he never struck me as the gangsta rapper type, with his policeman fatha. He went way down in my estimation when I realised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44811 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) I listened to him on Scroobius Pip's podcast and he seemed a sound and very intelligent bloke. I don't know much about him, but aye that is a surprise based on what I listened to on that. Edited October 3, 2015 by Gemmill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Bill Maher and his mate Dawkins on the unique violence of the Muslims this week is a jarring too. They dont seem to go at these daily killing sprees as hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44811 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I used to like Bill Maher but he just comes across as a fucking weapon these days. Ditto Dawkins, although I suspect he always was one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I listened to him on Scroobius Pip's podcast and he seemed a sound and very intelligent bloke. I don't know much about him, but aye that is a surprise based on what I listened to on that.I'll have to hunt that out. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44811 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I'll have to hunt that out. Cheers. No worries, it's actually quite a good podcast at times, although I'll be honest I've been deleting without listening for a while now as he's had no one on I wanted to listen to. The Killer Mike one was around the time of Ferguson iirc, so I'm sure they were mostly talking about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 He wants a fucking slap for being called scroobius pip like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44811 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 I blame the parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30569 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 It's jarring when you hear someone you respect defending gun rights. Turns out Killer Mike is very pro-gun, and he never struck me as the gangsta rapper type, with his policeman fatha. He went way down in my estimation when I realised. The clue was in the name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizza 105 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 And again... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34450841 11 year old boy killed an 8 year old girl with a shotgun, jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30569 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 The most shocking stat in that article is this: The Gun Violence Archive, a not-for-profit organisation that compiles data on gun violence in the US, says 559 children aged 11 or under have been killed or injured in the United States in gun violence so far this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Jesus wept Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30569 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30569 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Ben Carson btw - hoping to win the Republican presidential nomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4378 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 That bloke is a fuckwit on every level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 A good speech that is going to count for fuck all. Now if they could find a way to tie the NRA to terrorism then maybe they might have a chance. Had a great chat with an American last night about this. Obama can only do if people petition their senators and they have to do this in the small population (I.e. Rural) states to get it through the senate. The House of Representatives can only do so much which is why Obama was imploring people to contact their state representatives as this is the mechanism they have to change the law. I think I've got that right. Despite watching the first two seasons of the House of Cards, I've never fully understood the US's legislative process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30569 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I'm not so sure I follow what you're saying. The rural states are the most likely to be opposed to gun control I'd imagine. I thought Obama was trying to get the public to contact their senators and congressmen to counteract the fact that it is the gun lobby who tend to shout the loudest when this debate is raised. As with politicians anywhere, if they're in a tight race they'll go where the votes are, the problem is that if they shout too loudly then the NRA will fund their opponents in the next election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Yes, not sure I remember exactly how she explained it. I think to go through both Houses, it has to pass the Senate which has equal representation from each state no matter the size. She said Obama was imploring people to contact their Senator, not their Representative which are voted for in different elections. Hence to pass the Senate, they need the gun loving rural states to get on board. In what I think is a particularity of Senate voting, if enough people petition the Senator, they have to do something under State law. Or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30569 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Bills have to be separately introduced into both houses and when passed are merged into one bill and sent to the president. I get what you're saying though about smaller states having a disproportionate influence in the senate given that they have a much smaller electorate and are therefore more susceptible to change their minds by direct petitioning. The senate is where Obama's gun controls failed after Sandy Hook and back then the democrats had a majority, I can't see them having any more luck this time around with a Republican majority in the run up to the general election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TobamorisRevenge 0 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 That bloke is a fuckwit on every level. liberal shithead! None deserves the right to break the constitution. Gun laws are fine. ya NWO rent boys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Had a great chat with an American last night about this. Obama can only do if people petition their senators and they have to do this in the small population (I.e. Rural) states to get it through the senate. The House of Representatives can only do so much which is why Obama was imploring people to contact their state representatives as this is the mechanism they have to change the law. I think I've got that right. Despite watching the first two seasons of the House of Cards, I've never fully understood the US's legislative process. Need 2/3 of the house to pass it to modify the constitution...Never gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30569 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 They aren't looking to repeal the Second Amendment, the citizens would literally be up in arms if they were to attempt that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitman 2204 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 They could just start with stopping card carrying nutters amassing arsenals of assault rifles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 Putting the onus on the public to do something isn't going to work. For every person that writes to their senator demanding something be done, the NRA have someone else who can write a letter demanding their rights not be infringed. According to a March 2013 CNN/ORC poll, 55 percent of Americans thought there, "should be only minor or no restrictions at all on owning guns." In the same December 2014 poll conducted by Pew, 57 percent of Americans said gun ownership in the United States protects people That majority could drop into a minority, I think those opposed to gay marriage were in the majority until very recently but that crumbled rapidly after Glee came on telly. But it suggests the support is moving the other way rather than trending down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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