Toonpack 9916 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 What would cause there to be a disproportionate rise in the number of murderers as populations increases? Annoyance with the overcrowding? Lead in the blood? It's explained in the second sentence in my last post. Somewhat a moot point, given murder rates in the USA are dropping anyway, even with all the guns lying around. How's that work ?? Weird isn't it, USA = Loads of guns and murder rate dropping, UK banned guns and murder rate grew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46004 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Still just a multiple of 2.67 of ours though. Christ. Worth pointing out as well that murder rates only take into account intentional homicides. So none of these coppers randomly shooting black kids or toddlers shooting one another in the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46004 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/25/us-accidental-gun-deaths-100-children-yearly Up to 100 children a year dying from accidental gunshots. Still though, the murder rate is coming down and your mate can't take the bins out without having to take a grizzly out too, so it's not all bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7167 Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 What would cause there to be a disproportionate rise in the number of murderers as populations increases? Annoyance with the overcrowding? Lead in the blood? No reason other than it fits his argument. if the murder rate is 1.5 in 100000, then it will be 3 in 200000. Only a fucking nugget would argue otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9916 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/25/us-accidental-gun-deaths-100-children-yearly Up to 100 children a year dying from accidental gunshots. Still though, the murder rate is coming down and your mate can't take the bins out without having to take a grizzly out too, so it's not all bad. And 838 p.a. die from poisoning and 1,176 from suffocation or accidental strangulation, in fact 8,684 children (up to age 19 as it's classified over there) die accidentally each year, guns account for 0.2 per 100K of population. It would appear that the stupid folks who would leave guns lying around are hugely outnumbered by those who leave meds, chemicals or plastic bags lying around. Over here around 700 kids die accidentally each year over 10 times less than the USA with or without the gun factor. The problems in the USA is way bigger than just guns (which is the only point I'm trying to make). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 And 838 p.a. die from poisoning and 1,176 from suffocation or accidental strangulation, in fact 8,684 children (up to age 19 as it's classified over there) die accidentally each year, guns account for 0.2 per 100K of population. It would appear that the stupid folks who would leave guns lying around are hugely outnumbered by those who leave meds, chemicals or plastic bags lying around. Over here around 700 kids die accidentally each year over 10 times less than the USA with or without the gun factor. The problems in the USA is way bigger than just guns (which is the only point I'm trying to make). Meds, bags, and chemicals have genuine functions, guns have one function; to cause harm. Grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9916 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Meds, bags, and chemicals have genuine functions, guns have one function; to cause harm. Grow up. What about booze ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46004 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 When was the last time someone went on a killing spree with a plastic bag? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 What about booze ?? What about it? You're not going to argue that the function of alcohol is to cause damage, are you? A gun has no function other than to launch a projectile into a mass, causing untold damage internally. It has been designed to maim and kill, guns are not designed to make coffee, to catch the wind and soar at the end of a string. They're lethal weapons. That's what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 When was the last time someone went on a killing spree with a plastic bag? Heart attacks kill loads of people, we should ban hearts before we ban guns! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan 0 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Going for a CT scan tomorrow better take my cheque book with me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31195 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 I'll have a scan myself but he hasn't been around for a few weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31195 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 BTW, CT, I've sent you a PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3957 Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Has this one been mentioned? https://uk.news.yahoo.com/3-crime-scenes-4-victims-w-va-shooting-094121587.html#7IsixeS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35567 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 Worth pointing out as well that murder rates only take into account intentional homicides. So none of these coppers randomly shooting black kids or toddlers shooting one another in the face. Already mentioned that. Not relevant apparently Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35567 Posted December 3, 2014 Share Posted December 3, 2014 (edited) Banning (not just controlling) guns had no effect on the murder rate over here. Even after the legislation was passed in the UK murder rates continued to go up, along a growth rate similar to before the legislation, reaching a peak around 2003/4-ish it's now down to about the same as the early 80's (when there were guns). Getting rid of guns is not the magic bullet to reduce murder as most seem to be portraying, there are way deeper issues than just the guns. Take away the guns and the murder rates are still way higher than they are over here. If this country is anything to go by, legislating for guns has no effect on murder rates otherwise why did the murder rate continue to rise, for around 10 years, after the ban over here. Guns undoubtedly turn some situations, which maybe wouldn't be fatal, into murder, but Americans kill other Americans way more than any other western country even discounting the guns. Look at the Swiss, about half the fuckers have a gun and assault rifle or carbine for that matter, their murder rate is bugger all comparatively. Chicago - has some of toughest gun laws and controls in the US and no gun shops, you can't carry them in the street hidden or not etc. yet had 500 homicides in 2012(Detroit has 47.5/100,000 FFS). Houston has roughly the same population as Chicago (around 600K different) and over 1500 places you can buy a gun, with Texas' anyone can have one rules, and you can carry a gun just about anywhere, but Houston only (only!) had 217 murders. Median income between those two places is about the same as well btw. It's way more complicated than just guns. There's huge diversity in the statistics within the US, never mind anywhere else. Surely it's just because Chicago has more people than Austin Edited December 3, 2014 by Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31195 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Just another day in America http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/03/justice-department-eric-holder-eric-garner-investigation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46004 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 America seems totally fucked. Scary when you think how much military equipment the coppers have been stockpiling in some places, could be carnage if it properly kicks off in one of those cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46004 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Jon Stewart to Eric Garner: You Think pain and gr: http://youtu.be/-J-SzqUqIEM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31195 Posted December 15, 2014 Share Posted December 15, 2014 And again... http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30484534 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10963 Posted December 16, 2014 Author Share Posted December 16, 2014 You know how to stop that? Lock and Load mother fuckers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4411 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 In the UK he would have put on a batman costume and climbed a tower but in the US........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31195 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Shot dead by a two year old http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30636326 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 43060 Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46004 Posted January 1, 2015 Share Posted January 1, 2015 http://youtu.be/V1o9OUGq-94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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