Kevin Carr's Gloves 3860 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Isegrim said: Sure, but in 2001 after 9/11 it was the predominant international opinion that a military intervention was unavoidable. It was a huge discussion here as even a lit of former pacifists like members if the Green Party were in support of it. I dispute this view, international public opinion outside of the USA has shown to be consistently against the military action in Afghanistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9741 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 12 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: I dispute this view, international public opinion outside of the USA has shown to be consistently against the military action in Afghanistan. You dispute that Germany had a secretary of state and leader of the Green Party (Joschka Fischer) who was instrumental in the German Army joining other forces to topple the Taliban regime, something that seemed unthinkable in post-war Germany befire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3860 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Isegrim said: You dispute that Germany had a secretary of state and leader of the Green Party (Joschka Fischer) who was instrumental in the German Army joining other forces to topple the Taliban regime, something that seemed unthinkable in post-war Germany befire? No I dispute that support for the invasion was the predominant international opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9741 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: No I dispute that support for the invasion was the predominant international opinion. Who was against it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9321 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: No I dispute that support for the invasion was the predominant international opinion. I think that has to be balanced against the relief, after 9/11, that the US went the boots on the ground route instead of lobbing nukes around, which a large number of yanks were quite supportive of, and some positively shouting for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17165 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: No I dispute that support for the invasion was the predominant international opinion. Do you mean among the public or politicians? …. not sure there was massive support among punters per se, but most people accepted that taking out Bin Laden was as inevitable as it was necessary. Think it’s bizarre to claim otherwise. What were the options? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21450 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) It was a long time ago, I'm not sure I remember what the public support was like. However, you can't underestimate the shock 9/11 caused and how "something" had to be done. Iirc I was pragmatic and against it on cost effectiveness grounds, every missile cost a million quid and the chances of killing a taliban soldier very low. But when I think back as a teenager I remember the utterly catastrophic soviet campaign in the country. Outside of Kabul there was never any chance of this working. Edited August 31, 2021 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Bbc are putting a lot of 9/11 stuff on this week with it being the 20th anniversary coming up. Bbc one at half 8 looks a decent watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Being against war after 9/11 is typical toontastic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21868 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 Namby pamby, softy do-gooders tbh. I blame the fancy dan lecturers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21868 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 This is why it’s a betrayal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7012 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 I see the US have torched 5 innocent kids with a missile to take out 1 terrorist. Raab was interviewed about it earlier today and asked if the West had a guilty conscience (or words to that effect). He replied that it's the terrorist who should feel guilty for standing next to innocent people. We've learned fuck all. Radicalising a new generation of jihadi's 48 hours after ending a 20 year war to fight the last lot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5189 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 5 innocent kids.. seriously? That's fucking tragic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32893 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Rayvin said: 5 innocent kids.. seriously? That's fucking tragic. And par for the course in places like Iraq, Palestine and Afghanistan. In conflicts like this the innocent greatly outnumber the guilty when it comes to suffering and death. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7012 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Rayvin said: 5 innocent kids.. seriously? That's fucking tragic. Yep. I mean all kids are innocent obviously, but these ones weren't linked to the terrorist in any way apparently. Just in the wrong place at the wrong time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44561 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 The 5 fat little bastards that live out the back from me are far from innocent. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11329 Posted September 2, 2021 Share Posted September 2, 2021 😂 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11329 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42204 Posted September 4, 2021 Share Posted September 4, 2021 If anyone hasn’t seen it… https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/29/merry-michael-gove-seen-dancing-alone-in-aberdeen-nightclub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34954 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 12 hours ago, Monkeys Fist said: If anyone hasn’t seen it… https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/29/merry-michael-gove-seen-dancing-alone-in-aberdeen-nightclub Just say no, kids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4375 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Gove is a horrible, lying, shit-weasel cunt but my honest reaction to that vid of him dancing was him having a bit of fun after escaping that monstrously vie piece of shit he was married to shouldn't be begrudged. Just that one thing, obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30409 Posted September 5, 2021 Share Posted September 5, 2021 Oh you’ve gone soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10821 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Quiff can help you out with that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30409 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 I see the Tories are going to raise my National Insurance contributions to pay for England's social care problem. You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10821 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, ewerk said: I see the Tories are going to raise my National Insurance contributions to pay for England's social care problem. You're welcome. But the millionaires are safe, right? Please tell me the millionaires are safe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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