Politics

[Alex 35678]

I think people invent stuff to justify their racism tbh

[PaddockLad 17774]

13 hours ago, ewerk said:

The man was a GP, how was he responsible? Also having a specialist hospital within 12 miles is a good thing despite how absurd the story appears to be.

He sat on the board of the local CCG when the decision was made, whilst Labour were in power. He’s from Stockton on Tees where the A & E was moved to. And he was a massive remainer .It beggars fuckin beleif that he was viewed as a decent candidate by anyone at the top of Labour. 
 

Anyway...

 

 

 

 

Edited May 10, 2021 by PaddockLad

[ewerk 31264]

39 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

He sat on the board of the local CCG when the decision was made, whilst Labour were in power. He’s from Stockton on Tees where the A & E was moved to. And he was a massive remainer .It beggars fuckin beleif that he was viewed as a decent candidate by anyone at the top of Labour. 

The report of which he was part of was published in 2013, I don't see how he's responsible for an incident from 2007?

It wouldn't have mattered who the candidate was ultimately, Labour weren't keeping that seat.

[ewerk 31264]

So Dodds is out and Reeves in. The appointment of Dodds in the first place was an odd one given she lacked any form of presence or charisma. Reeves is a much better choice.

[ewerk 31264]

 

I still can't get my head round this attitude from the Tories. The 'something that happened' was that this fucker shot and murdered an unarmed, disabled man with a mental age of ten who was scared by an army patrol and was running away and yet here is a prominent Tory MP lauding him as some sort of hero.

[Gemmill 46293]

Aye it's unreal. I mean murder is murder, whether you're mincing about in camouflage or not. That Mercer is your classic posh boy army twat. 

[Alex 35678]

It’s obviously something that is complicated by the stress and the situation that young soldiers were put into. That said, in the interviews I’ve seen Hutchings seems very dismissive and completely lacking in any remorse over what happened. But quite apart from all that, it’s one thing to defend someone on the basis of mitigating factors, quite another to make him out to be some sort of national hero. But that’s where we’re at in this country 

[Rayvin 5369]

Starmer has said that Labour are going to spend the summer 'speaking to people who don't vote for them' instead of holding 'rallies of the faithful'.

 

How is this a change of tack from what they had already been trying to do?

 

Aside from the left/right nature of this and all the ideology either way, I do think that what Labour need is a bit more fire. Starmer isn't exactly charismatic. Neither was Corbyn, and neither was Miliband. Someone prepared to go into Parliament, call Johnson a cunt to his face and be unapologetic about it. Someone with the ability to bypass traditional media to get a message out there would also help. I'd be tempted to say they actually just need a figurehead while a council of political strategists work out policy - the same as when companies employ a CEO who is really just a marketing device, and not a corporate leader.

[Monkeys Fist 43253]

12 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Someone prepared to go into Parliament, call Johnson a cunt to his face and be unapologetic about it

So, Angela Rayner, or Gemmill’s spankbanker, Nandy?

[Rayvin 5369]

I do now think Lisa Nandy would be a better option.

[ewerk 31264]

A woman as Labour leader.  I've heard it all now.

[Renton 22072]

I guess there are broadly three camps of potential labour voters now:

1) The metropolitan elite.

2) The socially conservative northern gammons.

3) The Islington trots.

 

There's some overlap here but I think no. 2 is already lost and quite frankly they can fuck off as far as I am concerned. I think 1 and 3 can probably co-exist to an extent. But the focus for me has to be on no. 1 but spreading the message to SME owners and managers and areas of the wealthy south who will be increasingly resentful of the monkey hanger bribe money being spaffed up the red wall. Frankly I can't imagine what's in it for large proportions of tories in voting for their party anymore, may as well get them onboard. 

[Rayvin 5369]

3 minutes ago, Renton said:

I guess there are broadly three camps of potential labour voters now:

1) The metropolitan elite.

2) The socially conservative northern gammons.

3) The Islington trots.

 

There's some overlap here but I think no. 2 is already lost and quite frankly they can fuck off as far as I am concerned. I think 1 and 3 can probably co-exist to an extent. But the focus for me has to be on no. 1 but spreading the message to SME owners and managers and areas of the wealthy south who will be increasingly resentful of the monkey hanger bribe money being spaffed up the red wall. Frankly I can't imagine what's in it for large proportions of tories in voting for their party anymore, may as well get them onboard. 

 

Totally agree with this, every word. 1 and 3 will co-exist I'm quite sure. 3 will get the social progress components along with action on green initiatives, and probably even some public ownership. 1 will get a stable and competent business environment and ideally, a nicer country to live in.

 

2 will also benefit from all of that, but they'll bitch about it.

[Monkeys Fist 43253]

Which category am I then?

[NJS 4420]

27 minutes ago, Renton said:

I guess there are broadly three camps of potential labour voters now:

1) The metropolitan elite.

2) The socially conservative northern gammons.

3) The Islington trots.

 

There's some overlap here but I think no. 2 is already lost and quite frankly they can fuck off as far as I am concerned. I think 1 and 3 can probably co-exist to an extent. But the focus for me has to be on no. 1 but spreading the message to SME owners and managers and areas of the wealthy south who will be increasingly resentful of the monkey hanger bribe money being spaffed up the red wall. Frankly I can't imagine what's in it for large proportions of tories in voting for their party anymore, may as well get them onboard. 

I've seen a few people make the point that the idea everybody who votes Labour in London is metropolitan elite is bullshit - all of the places in East and south London are just as deprived as Hartlepool and the rest. 

 

I think the split of young/renters versus older/homeowners in left behind towns is a more accurate division to add to the ones you mention. 

 

It sounds obvious but they should look at why there were relatively successful results in Preston and the North West rather than obsessing about Hartlepool. 

 

They should also look at the swing to green as they risk losing the youth if they go all centrist. 

 

[Rayvin 5369]

1 hour ago, Monkeys Fist said:

Which category am I then?

 

Non-pretentious, informed, compassionate voter.

 

You're in such a minority in this country that you're not worth mentioning

 

[Gemmill 46293]

4 hours ago, Rayvin said:

I do now think Lisa Nandy would be a better option.

 

[Monkeys Fist 43253]

1 hour ago, Rayvin said:

 

Non-pretentious, informed, compassionate voter.

 

You're in such a minority in this country that you're not worth mentioning

 

There’s part of the problem though, I’m not. 
There’s fucking millions, just like me, bored fucking rigid with the endless fuckery, thinking “ Just stop being cunts- run the fucking country without screwing it up”

 

 

[RobinRobin 11666]

13 hours ago, Renton said:

I think 1 and 3 can probably co-exist to an extent. 

I like your optimism but can't see it happening for more than five minutes

[PaddockLad 17774]

 

[TheGingerQuiff 2412]

the cost of having a lass young enough to be your daughter 

[Renton 22072]

22 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

 

 

Is this legit given the incorrect name and address? I can imagine his team making shit up like this so he can prove its false and muddy the waters on his real cases pending. 

 

[PaddockLad 17774]

1 minute ago, Renton said:

 

Is this legit given the incorrect name and address? I can imagine his team making shit up like this so he can prove its false and muddy the waters on his real cases pending. 

 

 

 

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/12/boris-johnson-faces-court-judgment-over-535-unpaid-debt?__twitter_impression=true

[Renton 22072]

 I would love it if the bailiffs arrived mob handed  at his flat at number 11. 

 

This makes him pretty much ineligible for credit or a mortgage. Still, just proves he's one of the lads. 🤷‍♂️

[Rayvin 5369]

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2021/05/tony-blair-warns-labour-could-die-under-starmer-and-woke-left-he-planning

 

Blair giving Starmer both barrels here. Not sure I can see the evidence of a 'plan for a return to front line politics' but it would certainly be a dramatic development. I agree with much of this, in particular this part:

 

Young progressives, suggests Blair, have “defaulted to issues around culture, gender, race and identity” precisely because Labour has failed to offer them an economic programme that is both radical and practical. Starmer’s empty cultural politics follow from his failure to offer any economic vision.