Alex 35095 Posted May 9, 2021 Share Posted May 9, 2021 I think people invent stuff to justify their racism tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17284 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, ewerk said: The man was a GP, how was he responsible? Also having a specialist hospital within 12 miles is a good thing despite how absurd the story appears to be. He sat on the board of the local CCG when the decision was made, whilst Labour were in power. He’s from Stockton on Tees where the A & E was moved to. And he was a massive remainer .It beggars fuckin beleif that he was viewed as a decent candidate by anyone at the top of Labour. Anyway... Edited May 10, 2021 by PaddockLad 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30641 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 39 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: He sat on the board of the local CCG when the decision was made, whilst Labour were in power. He’s from Stockton on Tees where the A & E was moved to. And he was a massive remainer .It beggars fuckin beleif that he was viewed as a decent candidate by anyone at the top of Labour. The report of which he was part of was published in 2013, I don't see how he's responsible for an incident from 2007? It wouldn't have mattered who the candidate was ultimately, Labour weren't keeping that seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30641 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 So Dodds is out and Reeves in. The appointment of Dodds in the first place was an odd one given she lacked any form of presence or charisma. Reeves is a much better choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30641 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 I still can't get my head round this attitude from the Tories. The 'something that happened' was that this fucker shot and murdered an unarmed, disabled man with a mental age of ten who was scared by an army patrol and was running away and yet here is a prominent Tory MP lauding him as some sort of hero. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44947 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Aye it's unreal. I mean murder is murder, whether you're mincing about in camouflage or not. That Mercer is your classic posh boy army twat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 It’s obviously something that is complicated by the stress and the situation that young soldiers were put into. That said, in the interviews I’ve seen Hutchings seems very dismissive and completely lacking in any remorse over what happened. But quite apart from all that, it’s one thing to defend someone on the basis of mitigating factors, quite another to make him out to be some sort of national hero. But that’s where we’re at in this country 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Starmer has said that Labour are going to spend the summer 'speaking to people who don't vote for them' instead of holding 'rallies of the faithful'. How is this a change of tack from what they had already been trying to do? Aside from the left/right nature of this and all the ideology either way, I do think that what Labour need is a bit more fire. Starmer isn't exactly charismatic. Neither was Corbyn, and neither was Miliband. Someone prepared to go into Parliament, call Johnson a cunt to his face and be unapologetic about it. Someone with the ability to bypass traditional media to get a message out there would also help. I'd be tempted to say they actually just need a figurehead while a council of political strategists work out policy - the same as when companies employ a CEO who is really just a marketing device, and not a corporate leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42460 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Someone prepared to go into Parliament, call Johnson a cunt to his face and be unapologetic about it So, Angela Rayner, or Gemmill’s spankbanker, Nandy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 I do now think Lisa Nandy would be a better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30641 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 A woman as Labour leader. I've heard it all now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21637 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 I guess there are broadly three camps of potential labour voters now: 1) The metropolitan elite. 2) The socially conservative northern gammons. 3) The Islington trots. There's some overlap here but I think no. 2 is already lost and quite frankly they can fuck off as far as I am concerned. I think 1 and 3 can probably co-exist to an extent. But the focus for me has to be on no. 1 but spreading the message to SME owners and managers and areas of the wealthy south who will be increasingly resentful of the monkey hanger bribe money being spaffed up the red wall. Frankly I can't imagine what's in it for large proportions of tories in voting for their party anymore, may as well get them onboard. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Renton said: I guess there are broadly three camps of potential labour voters now: 1) The metropolitan elite. 2) The socially conservative northern gammons. 3) The Islington trots. There's some overlap here but I think no. 2 is already lost and quite frankly they can fuck off as far as I am concerned. I think 1 and 3 can probably co-exist to an extent. But the focus for me has to be on no. 1 but spreading the message to SME owners and managers and areas of the wealthy south who will be increasingly resentful of the monkey hanger bribe money being spaffed up the red wall. Frankly I can't imagine what's in it for large proportions of tories in voting for their party anymore, may as well get them onboard. Totally agree with this, every word. 1 and 3 will co-exist I'm quite sure. 3 will get the social progress components along with action on green initiatives, and probably even some public ownership. 1 will get a stable and competent business environment and ideally, a nicer country to live in. 2 will also benefit from all of that, but they'll bitch about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42460 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Which category am I then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4389 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 27 minutes ago, Renton said: I guess there are broadly three camps of potential labour voters now: 1) The metropolitan elite. 2) The socially conservative northern gammons. 3) The Islington trots. There's some overlap here but I think no. 2 is already lost and quite frankly they can fuck off as far as I am concerned. I think 1 and 3 can probably co-exist to an extent. But the focus for me has to be on no. 1 but spreading the message to SME owners and managers and areas of the wealthy south who will be increasingly resentful of the monkey hanger bribe money being spaffed up the red wall. Frankly I can't imagine what's in it for large proportions of tories in voting for their party anymore, may as well get them onboard. I've seen a few people make the point that the idea everybody who votes Labour in London is metropolitan elite is bullshit - all of the places in East and south London are just as deprived as Hartlepool and the rest. I think the split of young/renters versus older/homeowners in left behind towns is a more accurate division to add to the ones you mention. It sounds obvious but they should look at why there were relatively successful results in Preston and the North West rather than obsessing about Hartlepool. They should also look at the swing to green as they risk losing the youth if they go all centrist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Monkeys Fist said: Which category am I then? Non-pretentious, informed, compassionate voter. You're in such a minority in this country that you're not worth mentioning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44947 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 4 hours ago, Rayvin said: I do now think Lisa Nandy would be a better option. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42460 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Rayvin said: Non-pretentious, informed, compassionate voter. You're in such a minority in this country that you're not worth mentioning There’s part of the problem though, I’m not. There’s fucking millions, just like me, bored fucking rigid with the endless fuckery, thinking “ Just stop being cunts- run the fucking country without screwing it up” 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11287 Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 13 hours ago, Renton said: I think 1 and 3 can probably co-exist to an extent. I like your optimism but can't see it happening for more than five minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17284 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 the cost of having a lass young enough to be your daughter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21637 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 22 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: Is this legit given the incorrect name and address? I can imagine his team making shit up like this so he can prove its false and muddy the waters on his real cases pending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17284 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Renton said: Is this legit given the incorrect name and address? I can imagine his team making shit up like this so he can prove its false and muddy the waters on his real cases pending. https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/12/boris-johnson-faces-court-judgment-over-535-unpaid-debt?__twitter_impression=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21637 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 I would love it if the bailiffs arrived mob handed at his flat at number 11. This makes him pretty much ineligible for credit or a mortgage. Still, just proves he's one of the lads. 🤷♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted May 12, 2021 Share Posted May 12, 2021 https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2021/05/tony-blair-warns-labour-could-die-under-starmer-and-woke-left-he-planning Blair giving Starmer both barrels here. Not sure I can see the evidence of a 'plan for a return to front line politics' but it would certainly be a dramatic development. I agree with much of this, in particular this part: Young progressives, suggests Blair, have “defaulted to issues around culture, gender, race and identity” precisely because Labour has failed to offer them an economic programme that is both radical and practical. Starmer’s empty cultural politics follow from his failure to offer any economic vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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