Renton 21231 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 If only we had brexited sooner he might have been saved, that's right isn't it Matt? What a fucking hoop licking toad that man is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34786 Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 The Stephen Ireland of politics 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5164 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Is this a problem yet..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4172 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 I admit before I post this that I know nowt about politics. It appears to me (given the above) that this point scoring between the different parts of labour are doing nothing but helping the tories. You can hate Corbyn or your can hate Starmer but ultimately in fighting is reductive. We need a (any) Labour government to win an election to make any changes and help people? I dont like the the idea that labour is of one people, it should be inclusive but at moment it should be inclusive of people who want the tories out. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42004 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 18 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said: Remember when Matt Hancock cried last week because his "Step-Grandfather" died of COVID and he had now been personally touched by the awful effects of this disease? Turns out the bloke he was talking about was (and bear with me) the man who married the woman who used to be married to the man that Hancock's Mother married after divorcing his Dad. I'd be amazed if he's even met the bloke! Can we also acknowledge that Matt Hancock’s Mam obviously loves it up her, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6985 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 Looks like Cummings might have made 2 trips to Durham after all. And Boris could have been part of the cover up... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5164 Posted December 5, 2020 Share Posted December 5, 2020 9 hours ago, strawb said: I admit before I post this that I know nowt about politics. It appears to me (given the above) that this point scoring between the different parts of labour are doing nothing but helping the tories. You can hate Corbyn or your can hate Starmer but ultimately in fighting is reductive. We need a (any) Labour government to win an election to make any changes and help people? I dont like the the idea that labour is of one people, it should be inclusive but at moment it should be inclusive of people who want the tories out. You're absolutely right - unfortunately this has now been going on for 5 years and it doesn't seem to be a situation that Starmer is capable of fixing. In his defence, I'm not convinced anyone is. I'm increasingly starting to think it just isn't going to happen for Labour, in general. There isn't actually that much common ground between the left and the centre anymore. If we had a proper electoral system this wouldn't be a problem, but under FPTP, it is. Maybe the way to heal this would be for Starmer to promise PR as the reward for the left falling into line. It would mean the end of Labour governing with a majority ever again if they won power that final time, but it would also mean the end of the Tories. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30221 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 On 04/10/2018 at 22:13, Christmas Tree said: told you repeatedly we will agree a cracking deal that will allow Nissan to continue to trade profitably with Zero tarrifs and no friction. So so this is what’s going to happen and I suggest you bookmark it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5164 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/14/keir-starmer-under-fire-failing-challenge-radio-caller-racism "Keir Starmer under fire for failing to challenge radio caller's racism" A woman called in worrying about white people being a minority by 2066 and talking about them being persecuted (i.e. great replacement theory) - Starmer's response wasn't terrible IMO, but didn't directly take it head on and failed to call it out for the racist view it is. So I'm not bringing this up as a stick to beat him with believe it or not - he's playing the game he is because he needs these daft muppets on board and things like "the white race being replaced" is something that they are irrationally concerned about. However, I do think it's worth considering from the point of view of analysing how far from the more sane and informed groups of society he is going to have to travel to make this work. Is it worth it? What is left at the end? How much of this nonsense will we have to swallow just to get our broad church back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30221 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Under fire from who? This appears to have happened yesterday but is the first I've heard of it. Also the three Labour MPs quoted in the article just all happen to be from the same side of the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5164 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, ewerk said: Under fire from who? This appears to have happened yesterday but is the first I've heard of it. Also the three Labour MPs quoted in the article just all happen to be from the same side of the party. Under fire from the Guardian itself, is what I'd take from this. And in fairness, this is exactly the sort of thing they'd get worked up about. I've not really approached it from this angle, I was making a more general point about the voter base, but if we're looking at internal party politics, it seems that the Labour left are going to try and do to him what the Labour centre did to Corbyn. Great news for all concerned, I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34786 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 The Guardian is a pile of steaming shite tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11304 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 Marina Hyde is the only thing in it worth reading imo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15371 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 I like the weekend supplements, so of course they're getting rid of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5164 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, Sonatine said: Marina Hyde is the only thing in it worth reading imo. Very true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30221 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 The lack of respect for Louise Taylor is disappointing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5164 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 It does appear that the Guardian will effortlessly manage to annoy not just the right, but also every single faction within the centre and left, almost all the time. Some might say this represents a valuable spread of opinions I guess. We need to hang on to the Guardian though because as terrible as it often is, I'm struggling to think of any other credible centre/left media sources besides the Independent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30221 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5164 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/16/unicef-feed-hungry-children-uk-first-time-history UNICEF providing food packages to hungry children in the UK - the first time they've had to do it in the 70 years they've been operating. What a pathetic nation we are. @Christmas Tree Is this poverty yet? You were supposed to let me know when we got here Edited December 16, 2020 by Rayvin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42004 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Rayvin said: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/16/unicef-feed-hungry-children-uk-first-time-history UNICEF providing food packages to hungry children in the UK - the first time they've had to do it in the 70 years they've been operating. What a pathetic nation we are. @Christmas Tree Is this poverty yet? You were supposed to let me know when we got here That’s beyond shameful. Absolutely boils my piss that fucking idiots like CT walk around with their heads up their arses, keeping these cunts in power. And it’s only going to get worse… 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9717 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11113 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Was any of that remotely a surprise and did it need a joint investigation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21231 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 10 hours ago, Monkeys Fist said: That’s beyond shameful. Absolutely boils my piss that fucking idiots like CT walk around with their heads up their arses, keeping these cunts in power. And it’s only going to get worse… CT's officially in poverty as well remember? Please don't be angry at the poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30221 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 Over 28,000 people voted for this cunt last year. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted December 17, 2020 Share Posted December 17, 2020 We need to keep them hungry so they learn responsibility or turn to crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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