NJS 4371 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 To be fair to her even if you thought him a complete failure in terms of improving the country, it still would be a good idea to ask his advice on how to win (beyond him saying drop any vaguely left wing policy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Oh yeah, without a doubt. It's not me who has the problem with her bringing Blair up. If you talk to a lot of 'red wall' voters, particularly the ones we lost they still hold Blair in high esteem - despite his flaws. Speaking to a couple of elderly voters in the region re RLB I head she's too close to Corbyn & wants to do too much at once but I haven't really heard anything on Starmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4371 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 She hasn't come across too badly to me but at the same time she committed two "strikes" - giving Corbyn 10/10 for leadership and saying she'd talk to the catholic church about abortion policy. I can see the two polar views of wanting someone Corbyn-like on one side and wanting anyone but that on the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Yeh - well we have to stick to our principles on one hand but be electable on the other. It’s a catch 22. She gave Corbyn 10/10 a few weeks back but yesterday came out and said he handled anti-Semitism claims “very, very poorly”, so which is it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32738 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 I've a vote but have yet to use it. Not overly enamoured with any of them but would obviously back them in a GE. RLB I reckon has zero chance with the general public, Nandy a bit more but will probably go for Starmer. Failing that I'll just wait for CT's advice. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32738 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Also, as someone on twatter, I've got to say it's a little depressing seeing some of the absolute horse shit that comes from labour voters crucifying each other and different candidates. Who needs conservative propaganda? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 I got an email during the week saying there was a problem with my application. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34848 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 22 minutes ago, ewerk said: I got an email during the week saying there was a problem with my application. Wrong side of the border 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 28 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: Also, as someone on twatter, I've got to say it's a little depressing seeing some of the absolute horse shit that comes from labour voters crucifying each other and different candidates. Who needs conservative propaganda? Absolutely. The targeting of Starmer has been most unusual given his past. Everyone has a skeleton in the closet but few have as ones as a awkward as RLB - so why stir the culture of smearing up? How can people cry for years about the treatment of Corbyn and then do the same to a person who isn’t even leader yet? Idiots. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21814 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 6 hours ago, Tom said: Yeh - well we have to stick to our principles on one hand but be electable on the other. It’s a catch 22. She gave Corbyn 10/10 a few weeks back but yesterday came out and said he handled anti-Semitism claims “very, very poorly”, so which is it? He handled antisemitism very, very poorly. and he didn’t deserve 10/10. That comment alone derailed her campaign before it started Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Aye but that’s when she was banking on Momentum/Corbyn’s backing to sweep her to victory. She’s changed her tune now because she knows she can’t win without the dreaded ‘centre’ when the truth is that she can’t win at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9737 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34848 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 20 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: He handled antisemitism very, very poorly. and he didn’t deserve 10/10. That comment alone derailed her campaign before it started Quite apart from that he lost two consecutive elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21814 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Alex said: Quite apart from that he lost two consecutive elections. Yeah but he won the argument, apparently 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9737 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Won’t someone think of the 5th quintile! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21322 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Quite interested to know what @NJS and @Rayvin make of that graph concerning New Labour? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4371 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Tax credits which are a substitute for real income rise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Aye, if only they’d introduced some form of minimum wage. That would have been a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4371 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I was being an arsehole - I've never said they didn't do any good. I still think tax credits became too much of an issue and I think the minimum wage is a good idea but also a double edged sword where its too easy for businesses to pay it with no thought of an actual living wage. I'd like to see more balancing of the economy than simple fiddling at the bottom end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Hog 508 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 Saw this on Twitter and thought it was an interesting watch from 1994 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17079 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 @Gemmill might be on to something with Nandy...pity she's not running for deputy.. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44401 Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 She's class. Labour is gonna miss out if she doesn't win, and she's not gonna win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 This tells you all you need to know about the man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15409 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Never mind that, what does Zambia want with Jacob Rees-Mogg? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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