Rayvin 5186 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Just now, Renton said: This is a good point actually, fair enough. I dont think Thatcher Blair comparisons are necessary, but maybe they are. In which case, I think the party is pretty fucked whoever leads it. The enemy isn't Blair, it's the tories If Labour cant unite behind that, then they're rightly fucked. The party is indeed fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21388 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Rayvin said: The party is indeed fucked. Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30366 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Renton said: This is a good point actually, fair enough. I dont think Thatcher Blair comparisons are necessary, but maybe they are. In which case, I think the party is pretty fucked whoever leads it. The enemy isn't Blair, it's the tories If Labour cant unite behind that, then they're rightly fucked. I think that yougov poll yesterday had Blair on a 67% unfavorability rating. It's insane but that shows the crowd they're all trying to appeal to. We rightly gave Corbyn pelters for not playing the game so we can't criticise Nandy when she does it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5186 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 (edited) If Blair hadn't gone to Iraq, I wonder how different all of this would have been. Labour would have been nowhere near as toxic and perhaps more left wing voters would remember the years fondly. Honestly I see more people go after him over Iraq than anything else. Edited January 22, 2020 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30366 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Because it's a very simple narrative to press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21388 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Blair = Iraq. Brown ="Labour's financial crisis" No tory would have done differently, but to ignore everything else is madness. I was furious with Blair about Iraq as it happens, long before we invaded (as were millions of others). Brown in contrast should be applauded for his actions in the financial crisis, but fuck me, the tories are still dining out on it and will be for at least another decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4375 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Whether you think NL were a force for good or not (I actually think generally they were), there can be no argument that they incorporated facets of Thatcherism. I think the discussion should be more about the point of stating it - if its to gain kudos with the young zealots in the membership by framing it negatively then I thinks its just playing for votes and dubious, if it's to take the position that a government has to play the establishment game in this country to do anything then its fairly practical (but sad). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44487 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Nandy's on the final ballot, bitchez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19974 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/22/pick-long-bailey-and-its-over-the-view-from-the-ruins-of-labours-red-wall?CMP=twt_b-gdnnortherner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Has anyone got any evidence re Starmer being a “centrist”. Its being constantly banded about by the RLB Firms Top crew, but I just don’t know where people are getting it from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5186 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 36 minutes ago, Tom said: Has anyone got any evidence re Starmer being a “centrist”. Its being constantly banded about by the RLB Firms Top crew, but I just don’t know where people are getting it from? Voted for the Tory austerity welfare bill or whatever it was called. The dismal, pathetic Labour betrayal that prompted me to vote for Corbyn. But mostly it's all relative, isn't it? The spectrum changes. In the US he'd be considered a radical. Although i daresay in the US, he would position himself pragmatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30366 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 In the U.S. we’d all be considered radical by virtue of the fact that none of us want poor people to die on the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34897 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 8 hours ago, ewerk said: In the U.S. we’d all be considered radical by virtue of the fact that none of us want to shoot all the poor people. For fun Fyp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30366 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 The Tory twat who won Pidcock’s seat has just accusing Labour of culturally appropriating the Durham Miners’ Gala. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6542 Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 On 22/01/2020 at 12:11, Rayvin said: If Blair hadn't gone to Iraq, I wonder how different all of this would have been. Labour would have been nowhere near as toxic and perhaps more left wing voters would remember the years fondly. Honestly I see more people go after him over Iraq than anything else. I think they massively fucked up when they chose the wrong Miliband brother. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Thoughts on this bloke? I don't know much about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19974 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 A friend of mine who is a lawyer has met him a few time when he was a Lawyer, said he was a decent bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21845 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 decent bloke, safe pair of hands, a bit beige Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21845 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 wears too much gel on his hair 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42129 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 32 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: wears too much gel on his hair He might just be a greasy fucker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Maybe beige is what Labour need to re-unite the party after the shit show of the past 12 months? Seems to be saying the right things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30366 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 He does say the right things but doesn’t sound quite right and always looks like he’s worried he’s left the gas on. But I think he’s more than capable of growing into the role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Saying and doing are two completely different things when it comes to politicians though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30366 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 As long as he gets the Tories out I’m not bothered. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34897 Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 Apparently the Home Secretary is exactly like you’d expect only more so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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