Meenzer 15408 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 It's not like our tone towards Tory scum here is significantly different. It's just that we know we're right. But seriously - it's shite that these are the rules of the game now and maybe it's something that can still be changed, but in the meantime Labour need to have the self-awareness to elect a leader with far less in the way of easily exploitable baggage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Meenzer said: It's not like our tone towards Tory scum here is significantly different. It's just that we know we're right. But seriously - it's shite that these are the rules of the game now and maybe it's something that can still be changed, but in the meantime Labour need to have the self-awareness to elect a leader with far less in the way of easily exploitable baggage. This is the main reason why I don't think Corbyn ever wanted to be PM, the man isn't stupid. I've always felt he's kept just enough shit around him to make sure he was unelectable, all the while appearing to want the job on the face of it. I mean come on, no-one in their right mind would keep Dianne Abbott at the forefront of the party if they wanted to win an election. That's one example, there's a lot more but I'm sure you get what I'm saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Nah, he was just thick as fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21314 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Anorthernsoul said: the man isn't stupid Really? I'd add that being opposition leader and at the same time not wanting to be PM is pretty fucking stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5185 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Globalism vs anti-globalism. The Tories have chosen their side and actually I think its clear that they've grasped the direction of travel here. We need to be globalist but with a positive vision for the future that pulls people with it. The Labour party stands no chance of realising that however. The working classes, I suspect, are lost to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11138 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 16 hours ago, Rayvin said: Well idk man, we tend to always have a progressive majority in this country that is suppressed by FPTP. Maybe Australia is just full of right wingers. I think it is probably a similar demographic, but let's see if PR works for you, if you get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11138 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 16 hours ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: Yeah Australia is full of racists like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11138 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 15 hours ago, Monkeys Fist said: Especially the black ones. They are the worst 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11138 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Rayvin said: Globalism vs anti-globalism. The Tories have chosen their side and actually I think its clear that they've grasped the direction of travel here. We need to be globalist but with a positive vision for the future that pulls people with it. The Labour party stands no chance of realising that however. The working classes, I suspect, are lost to us. I am pretty sure that Corbyn is an anti-globalist, but didn't want to say so, as with Brexit. From outside looking in, that was what made him unelectable. Whether he wanted to be elected is another matter, but no politician will willingly walk away from the kudos (and possibly the pay packet) which goes with being PM or leader of the opposition. Perhaps the stupidity came from those who blindly supported him when they should have pulled the plug. Anyway, I am 59 and live in Australia, so what do I know PS Even at that great age, I would not have voted for Brexit 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34847 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, Anorthernsoul said: This is the main reason why I don't think Corbyn ever wanted to be PM, the man isn't stupid. I've always felt he's kept just enough shit around him to make sure he was unelectable, all the while appearing to want the job on the face of it. I mean come on, no-one in their right mind would keep Dianne Abbott at the forefront of the party if they wanted to win an election. That's one example, there's a lot more but I'm sure you get what I'm saying. He kept his allies close. That’s all. Considering the job he was up for, relatively speaking, he’s at whale spunk levels of thickness Edited December 18, 2019 by Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34847 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 8 hours ago, Rayvin said: Globalism vs anti-globalism. The Tories have chosen their side and actually I think its clear that they've grasped the direction of travel here. We need to be globalist but with a positive vision for the future that pulls people with it. The Labour party stands no chance of realising that however. The working classes, I suspect, are lost to us. It’s old people and people who don’t work that are lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44399 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Blair making a lot of sense in his speech this morning. He'll be ignored though. I do wonder if this leadership bid just results in an extension of Corbyn's bollocks, whether he doesn't have a plan to set up an alternative party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5185 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 7 hours ago, RobinRobin said: I am pretty sure that Corbyn is an anti-globalist, but didn't want to say so, as with Brexit. From outside looking in, that was what made him unelectable. Whether he wanted to be elected is another matter, but no politician will willingly walk away from the kudos (and possibly the pay packet) which goes with being PM or leader of the opposition. Perhaps the stupidity came from those who blindly supported him when they should have pulled the plug. Anyway, I am 59 and live in Australia, so what do I know PS Even at that great age, I would not have voted for Brexit He is indeed, it's the hard left and right who are rejecting it. Thus it isn't a left vs right thing anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5185 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 59 minutes ago, Alex said: It’s old people and people who don’t work that are lost True enough. But we need to bring them with us somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob032 38 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) The thing about Facebook is that it isn't a neutral, blank platform. It's a capitalist business. Labour did well on social media in 2017 when left wing blog posts and 'underground' media was being widely shared. But those algorithms are not set in stone. They can be bought and paid for, and left wing sentiment made to bounce around people who already supported it. Many blog writers who were getting hundreds of thousands of post and video views/shares in 2017 report they are getting a fraction of that now - while corporate 'sponsored' posts are popping up for everyone. My Facebook feed was full of thinly disguised Tory propaganda in the week before the election under the guise of 'Best for Britain', 'The Education Group' etc. It's a big club and we ain't in it. Edited December 18, 2019 by rob032 Typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21813 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 We have to put a stop to this. I just joined the Labour Party to have my say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21813 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 join me, comrades. things can only get better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21813 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 22k new members registered since the election result - the centrists are coming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42068 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: join me, comrades. things can only get better. Fish, Chips and Guacamole. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44399 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I'm gonna join today. Cooper says she'll make a decision over Christmas as to whether to run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17079 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 What's the first thing a disaffected new Tory voter in Stoke going to say to Starmer or Cooper? They're likely not going to trust them over anything because of the perception that the likes of them tried to stop Brexit. BREAKING: Thornberrys standing. The woman who didnt understand why someone would put a St George's flag in their window. Which will be thrown back at her from now till polling day 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44399 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I'm Team Nandy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5185 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 (edited) I'm genuinely unsure we can repair this faultline between the northern working classes and the urbanite educated. And I see no Labour leader capable of speaking to the former from the people considering running. Which makes me think we may as well just go for the smartest person in the room. Edited December 18, 2019 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4371 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I love the idea that a leader has to be "one of our own" and not middle class elite - like Tony Blair? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5185 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 5 minutes ago, NJS said: I love the idea that a leader has to be "one of our own" and not middle class elite - like Tony Blair? Yeah, I think it's an overreaction tbh. We need whoever is best placed to pummel Johnson, not another populist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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