ewerk 30266 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 34 minutes ago, Rayvin said: We're in for at least 10 years of Tory rule if the people whose viewpoints Tom aligns with and the people whose viewpoints ewerk aligns with, can't meet in the middle. And just what are my viewpoints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11138 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 18 hours ago, Rayvin said: I don't care if Farage gets to become a bit more powerful because in the end, none of the other parties will agree to his more radical desires. The point will be that Labour and the Tories will need to occasionally work together. From my experience in Australia, which has PR in the Senate, and which has just elected a right wing evangelical PM who won the unwinnable election against a deeply unpopular (with the people, but not with the unions) leader, PR results in pandering to the extremists, not cooperation in the middle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19899 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Lad at work on Friday said he voted Tory. Lives on the edge of a deprived area. He's a good lad (despite voting for them cunts) and works hard. I was stunned when he told me he voted Tory as he had health issues and same with his wife. He tried to get a GPs appointment last month and was told it would be 2 weeks. I tried telling him Friday that is gonna get worse under these cunts. Last night his old man was taken into hospital, he's just come back off holiday and has a virus, had serious shits and vomiting and kept passing out. Went to A&E and had to wait 9 hours apparently. He said he was shocked why it was so busy on a Monday and why there were so many trolleys out in the waiting area. Yet he voted Tory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34847 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 It’s difficult to have much sympathy when you think about how highly publicised the problems with the NHS are. Shame it’s also shitting on people who aren’t to blame. When you look at the figures though it’s the over 45s who’ve shit on everyone else. Obviously it’s more nuanced than that but the older generations were very pro Brexit and anti-Corbyn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4371 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 As I was saying yesterday people are so used to problems with the NHS to a degree they sort of accept it and think it's too costly or too much effort to change. When I try and tell them that waiting lists were all but abolished under Blair they think it's bullshit. (Yes on certain issues they did really well, as I've said I just think they accepted the status quo on things like housing and privatisation as well) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15408 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, Alex said: It’s difficult to have much sympathy when you think about how highly publicised the problems with the NHS are. Shame it’s also shitting on people who aren’t to blame. When you look at the figures though it’s the over 45s who’ve shit on everyone else. Obviously it’s more nuanced than that but the older generations were very pro Brexit and anti-Corbyn. Aye. YouGov had 66% of over 65s saying they would be "dismayed" if Corbyn became PM. This is the 1981-2011 trend and it goes some way to explaining the places that have switched. If Labour wants them back again, it's not just about getting jobs and opportunities back into these places, but also the kind of cultural and leisure and other options that will stop quite so many younger people from leaving for cities. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21813 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, Meenzer said: I thought this thread was clearly articulated & worth a read No one liked it when I posted it earlier in the thread. Anti MSM bias on here Edited December 17, 2019 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3809 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, wykikitoon said: Lad at work on Friday said he voted Tory. Lives on the edge of a deprived area. He's a good lad (despite voting for them cunts) and works hard. I was stunned when he told me he voted Tory as he had health issues and same with his wife. He tried to get a GPs appointment last month and was told it would be 2 weeks. I tried telling him Friday that is gonna get worse under these cunts. Last night his old man was taken into hospital, he's just come back off holiday and has a virus, had serious shits and vomiting and kept passing out. Went to A&E and had to wait 9 hours apparently. He said he was shocked why it was so busy on a Monday and why there were so many trolleys out in the waiting area. Yet he voted Tory Were his health issues dementia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15408 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: No one liked it when I posted it earlier in the thread. Anti MSM bias on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17079 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5185 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 7 hours ago, ewerk said: And just what are my viewpoints? Something something centrism something something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5185 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 6 hours ago, RobinRobin said: From my experience in Australia, which has PR in the Senate, and which has just elected a right wing evangelical PM who won the unwinnable election against a deeply unpopular (with the people, but not with the unions) leader, PR results in pandering to the extremists, not cooperation in the middle. Well idk man, we tend to always have a progressive majority in this country that is suppressed by FPTP. Maybe Australia is just full of right wingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3809 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Well idk man, we tend to always have a progressive majority in this country that is suppressed by FPTP. Maybe Australia is just full of right wingers. Yeah Australia is full of racists like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42068 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: Yeah Australia is full of racists like. Especially the black ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21813 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 labour clearly needs to unearth a nerd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4371 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Some extremely questionable jocks there. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6529 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Alex said: It’s difficult to have much sympathy when you think about how highly publicised the problems with the NHS are. Shame it’s also shitting on people who aren’t to blame. When you look at the figures though it’s the over 45s who’ve shit on everyone else. Obviously it’s more nuanced than that but the older generations were very pro Brexit and anti-Corbyn. Yeah, thats quite clear. I've been thinking about this over the past few days. Do you think the older generation are led by the media (i mean my mother only gets her information from red tops or other elderly friends) or do you think they are inherently racist or to put politely pro-uk. Perhaps they even see it has even hording everything they have worked for over the years as they perceive a socialist gov is going to take everything they have worked for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Rayvin said: Something something centrism something something. You haven’t been paying attention then. I said several times that other than the nationalisation pledge that the Labour manifesto was pretty decent. So Tom and my viewpoints aren’t that far apart on the issues. The problem with the article he linked to was clearly the cult of Corbyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17079 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 27 minutes ago, NJS said: Some extremely questionable jocks there. Yeah KCG is another 👍 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5185 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, ewerk said: You haven’t been paying attention then. I said several times that other than the nationalisation pledge that the Labour manifesto was pretty decent. So Tom and my viewpoints aren’t that far apart on the issues. The problem with the article he linked to was clearly the cult of Corbyn. Wasn't serious mate. I read your posts, I know more or less what you're about. All I really mean is we need to stick together and not polarise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4371 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Holden McGroin said: Yeah, thats quite clear. I've been thinking about this over the past few days. Do you think the older generation are led by the media (i mean my mother only gets her information from red tops or other elderly friends) or do you think they are inherently racist or to put politely pro-uk. Perhaps they even see it has even hording everything they have worked for over the years as they perceive a socialist gov is going to take everything they have worked for. I read something about a lot of older voters thinking they paid into a system which extends beyond tax and NI - they've stayed patriotic and quiet, saluted the Queen and the flag and now feel they're entitled to keep what they have and more so expect deferential treatment when it comes to health and care - especially over non-Whites. Hence the GP surgeries full of foreigners trope. I think this is an extreme view but one where I see elements being true. These are the people who supposedly reacted most strongly to Corbyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11309 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5185 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 So far, this is going completely as expected, feared and warned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34847 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Holden McGroin said: Yeah, thats quite clear. I've been thinking about this over the past few days. Do you think the older generation are led by the media (i mean my mother only gets her information from red tops or other elderly friends) or do you think they are inherently racist or to put politely pro-uk. Perhaps they even see it has even hording everything they have worked for over the years as they perceive a socialist gov is going to take everything they have worked for. All of those things to a large extent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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