Dr Gloom 21847 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 19 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Long-Bailey guarantees another lost election, I reckon. There is no way the electorate will view her as a potential PM. Unless she massively grows into the role. She’s absolutely fucking useless, as are most of Corbyn’s front bench - Burgon, Gardiner, Abbot, Piddick etc etc. The only credible candidates in the shadow cabinet are John McD, Kier Starmer and Emily Thornberry. Yvette Cooper is the most natural and electable leader in waiting but she’s no chance as she’s viewed as a Blairite - ditto Tom Watson - by all the new members, who will ultimately decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21847 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Forgive me for posting something from Guido, and once again about my pet subject, but this is an illuminating set of vox pops - watch till the end https://order-order.com/2019/12/05/corbynistas-react-think-corbyns-anti-semitism-said-boris/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30371 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 50 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Rebecca Wrong Daily Trademark it now. You’ll be set for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17124 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 If it's a reasonably close run thing on Thursday but still a Tory majority I can't see Corbyn going. Who in the cult going to tell him to fuck off? We could be entering a sort of Tory "early nineties" stage. They should be sent packing but the media has done it's job as they did on 1992. This also means we need a major world wide finiacial fuck up that can be blamed firmly on Javid from which they never recover. Following that the Labour party need a moment of clarity where they elect Kier Starmer after disastrous European & local election results around 2021/22. Is any of this likely? Not from where Unite leadership & Momentum are sitting at the moment, no. It's very, very unlikely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21847 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Boris has dodged Brillo but good to see other “MSM” interviewers stepping up to the plate 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5186 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 3 hours ago, PaddockLad said: If it's a reasonably close run thing on Thursday but still a Tory majority I can't see Corbyn going. Who in the cult going to tell him to fuck off? We could be entering a sort of Tory "early nineties" stage. They should be sent packing but the media has done it's job as they did on 1992. This also means we need a major world wide finiacial fuck up that can be blamed firmly on Javid from which they never recover. Following that the Labour party need a moment of clarity where they elect Kier Starmer after disastrous European & local election results around 2021/22. Is any of this likely? Not from where Unite leadership & Momentum are sitting at the moment, no. It's very, very unlikely... I genuinely think Corbyn will go of his own accord. He's too old for this now man, and was never all that interested in the position right from the start. He'll hang about for a bit so Labour can transition smoothly, and then he'll go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21847 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 A seamless transition to Burgon or Long Bailey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5186 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 I imagine there will be a membership vote. Hard to see any kind of cult forming around anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44498 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 This would be AMAZING. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21847 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 53 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I imagine there will be a membership vote. Hard to see any kind of cult forming around anyone else. The membership has been taken over by corbynistas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5186 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: The membership has been taken over by corbynistas. And who will they vote for once Corbyn is gone? They aren't a hive mind whatever the media might have decided. I think there will be more left wing candidates and a broader split of votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21847 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 34 minutes ago, Rayvin said: And who will they vote for once Corbyn is gone? They aren't a hive mind whatever the media might have decided. I think there will be more left wing candidates and a broader split of votes. Presumably another of Corbyn’s crew, equally unelectable. RLB or Piddick. Best we could hope for is probably McDonnell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21393 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Presumably another of Corbyn’s crew, equally unelectable. RLB or Piddick. Best we could hope for is probably McDonnell McDonnell is also unelectable. Nobody trusts a scouser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30371 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Renton said: McDonnell is also unelectable. Nobody trusts a scouser. He’s a better form of Corbyn. He comes with plenty of baggage but is more electable than Corbyn. Whether that is enough is debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21393 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, ewerk said: He’s a better form of Corbyn. He comes with plenty of baggage but is more electable than Corbyn. Whether that is enough is debatable. I agree. Quite impressed by him personally but he's fucked by his baggage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5186 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 It's not going to be McDonnell The man himself has said the next leader after Corbyn needs to be a woman, which effectively rules him out unless some very sudden developments take place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21393 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 48 minutes ago, Rayvin said: It's not going to be McDonnell The man himself has said the next leader after Corbyn needs to be a woman, which effectively rules him out unless some very sudden developments take place. Which in itself is ridiculous, halfing the potential candidates. Feels like it will be RLB by coronation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21847 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Labour is finished if she’s the next leader. If it has to be a woman Emily Thornberry is the best of Corbyn’s allies. Yvette Cooper is the best candidate - male or female. I like Jess Philips too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Jess Phillips 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15432 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 She's dared to criticise the regime, she's got no chance. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5186 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Jess Phillips doesn't have enough vision for it. Not sure who does in fairness but she's very much the kind of pragmatist that the centrists would get behind. So no help at all, judging by Swinson's performance. Yvette Cooper I have heard good things about and I think she's smart and capable. Not sure she's radical enough but maybe she could be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21393 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 20 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Jess Phillips doesn't have enough vision for it. Not sure who does in fairness but she's very much the kind of pragmatist that the centrists would get behind. So no help at all, judging by Swinson's performance. Yvette Cooper I have heard good things about and I think she's smart and capable. Not sure she's radical enough but maybe she could be... This country is so fucked. How do you think radical politics on either side can unite the country? The only thing that can do that is a form of, yes, pragmatic centrism. But through a butterfly effect of unforseen consequences on both the Tory and Labour sides the centre has been hollowed out, it doesn't exist any more. Your mistake is thinking its because its not popular with the electorate. I maintain its not, its because its not available to the electorate. The LDs are largely irrelevant in this, with FPtP they just aren't viable, so don't tell me Swinsons lack of support is evidence people don't want moderates in power. Most people this election are voting to try to stop the party they don't want getting in power. Think about it. Will any Corbynite ever be able to command a majority? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5186 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 The world is burning, I'm not sure centrism is going to be enough. On top of that, younger generations are seriously pissed off. Renting forever, retire at 75, no pension, probably no NHS, no freedom of movement, university debt. Is centrism going to fix all of that? Pandora's box is open. All centrism will do is find a compromise position between the far right and what used to be the actual centre. It won't be enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5186 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Actually I just read that the pragmatic centrist option will exist after all. Farage will rebrand as the Reform Party, promising (right of) centre politics that appeals to ordinary people, changes he voting system and generally makes everything great. So there's always him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44498 Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Jess Phillips is one of the few good things the Labour Party has going for it, but she's not a party leader or a PM. Thornberry, Cooper or Starmer are the choices that could win an election. So it won't be any of them. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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