Politics

[Renton 21429]

1 hour ago, Meenzer said:

This is happening, incidentally. I'm sure it'll all be fine.

 

 

 

This is what I was alluding to the other day. Why has this not been discussed? If you haven't read it, you would get the impression the tory manifesto is benign. It really isn't. It is clear that they are gunning for constitutional and judicial change, which will probably be abolition of the supreme court. With also leaving the ECJ, and very likely the ECHR soon afterwards, it's a terrifying prospect.

 

The other thing is it is clear Johnson does not want a comprehensive trade deal with the EU. He wants the bare minimum and maximum divergence. Was this what people voted for?

 

With the state of the media and in particular the complicity of the BBC, I have never felt so pessimistic about this nation's future. 

Edited November 30, 2019 by Renton

[Howmanheyman 32887]

[Anorthernsoul 1221]

Lifted from elsewhere, truth unconfirmed.

 

2010-2019, in case you missed it...
1,000 sure start centres closed.
780 libraries closed.
700 football pitches closed.
Food bank use up 2,400%.
Homelessness up 1,000%.
Rough sleeping up 1,200%
Bedroom tax caused mass evictions.
Evictions are running at record highs.
35% of U.K. kids live in poverty.
Student fees up 300%.
Student debt has risen 150%.
Eradication of EMA (education maintenance allowance).
National debt has risen from £850billion to £2.25trillion.
Emergency Brexit stimulus from BoE in June 2016 of £175b.
Brexit related fall in national revenue £500b.
GDP fallen to -0.1%.
GBP fallen by circa 15% versus EUR and USD.
Manufacturing in recession.
Construction in recession.
Services close to recession.
25-30% cuts to all govt departments.
25-30% cuts to all councils, mainly centred on Labour councils.
Half of councils facing effective bankruptcy.
185k extra deaths attached to the political ideology of austerity.
25,000 less police.
20,000 less prison officers.
10,000 less border officials.
10,000 less firefighters.
10,000 less medical professionals.
25,000 less bed spaces for mental illness.
OECD calculate 3 million hidden unemployed, rate is really 13%.
Creation of 1.3m jobs, mainly temporary, self employed, gig economy and ZHC.
Only 30k full time work positions created.
Close on 50% of workers are self employed, ZHC, or part time precariat.
80% of the 5.3 million self employed live below the poverty line.
35% of self employed only earn £100 a month.
25% cuts for our disabled community.
80% cuts to Mobility allowance.
Closing Remploy.
40% of working households have practically no savings.
70% of households have less than 10k savings.
60% of households can only survive 2 months without a wage.
Household debt reaches new peak, despite emergency base rates.
Increase of 50% in hate crimes.
Increase of knife crime by 150% to 22,000 per year.
Increase in teenage suicide by 70%.
Suicide up 12% in the year 2018.
Self harm among young women up 70%.
Life expectancy down 3 years.
NHS satisfaction level at lowest recorded rate.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
Zero starter homes built, despite Tory flagship programme.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
One million families on council home waiting list.
100,000 increase on the council home waiting list since 2010.
36,000 teachers have left the profession.

[Monkeys Fist 42189]

Yeah, but Labour would be a DISASTER! 
 

Let’s just get Brexit done. 

[Renton 21429]

30 minutes ago, Anorthernsoul said:

Lifted from elsewhere, truth unconfirmed.

 

2010-2019, in case you missed it...
1,000 sure start centres closed.
780 libraries closed.
700 football pitches closed.
Food bank use up 2,400%.
Homelessness up 1,000%.
Rough sleeping up 1,200%
Bedroom tax caused mass evictions.
Evictions are running at record highs.
35% of U.K. kids live in poverty.
Student fees up 300%.
Student debt has risen 150%.
Eradication of EMA (education maintenance allowance).
National debt has risen from £850billion to £2.25trillion.
Emergency Brexit stimulus from BoE in June 2016 of £175b.
Brexit related fall in national revenue £500b.
GDP fallen to -0.1%.
GBP fallen by circa 15% versus EUR and USD.
Manufacturing in recession.
Construction in recession.
Services close to recession.
25-30% cuts to all govt departments.
25-30% cuts to all councils, mainly centred on Labour councils.
Half of councils facing effective bankruptcy.
185k extra deaths attached to the political ideology of austerity.
25,000 less police.
20,000 less prison officers.
10,000 less border officials.
10,000 less firefighters.
10,000 less medical professionals.
25,000 less bed spaces for mental illness.
OECD calculate 3 million hidden unemployed, rate is really 13%.
Creation of 1.3m jobs, mainly temporary, self employed, gig economy and ZHC.
Only 30k full time work positions created.
Close on 50% of workers are self employed, ZHC, or part time precariat.
80% of the 5.3 million self employed live below the poverty line.
35% of self employed only earn £100 a month.
25% cuts for our disabled community.
80% cuts to Mobility allowance.
Closing Remploy.
40% of working households have practically no savings.
70% of households have less than 10k savings.
60% of households can only survive 2 months without a wage.
Household debt reaches new peak, despite emergency base rates.
Increase of 50% in hate crimes.
Increase of knife crime by 150% to 22,000 per year.
Increase in teenage suicide by 70%.
Suicide up 12% in the year 2018.
Self harm among young women up 70%.
Life expectancy down 3 years.
NHS satisfaction level at lowest recorded rate.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
Zero starter homes built, despite Tory flagship programme.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
One million families on council home waiting list.
100,000 increase on the council home waiting list since 2010.
36,000 teachers have left the profession.

 

But apart from that, what have the tories done wrong?

[Gemmill 44556]

 

 

 

[Dr Gloom 21868]

The BBC have been played and shouldn’t let Johnson get away with appearing on Marr. 

[Dr Gloom 21868]

13 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

 

 

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[Dr Gloom 21868]

That’s the first time the Tories have been in the 30s for a while. Maybe voters can see through the campaign the Tories are running. 

[Renton 21429]

2 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

That’s the first time the Tories have been in the 30s for a while. Maybe voters can see through the campaign the Tories are running. 

 

 

I can see the twats panicking and making it worse, labour just need a bit of momentum (no fucking pun intended!).

[Rayvin 5188]

Labour's gains at the expense of the LDs clearly. Remainers returning to the fold.

 

Tories losing out to the BP and maybe, just maybe, some LDs?

[Dr Gloom 21868]

If those numbers are roughly right it’s a clear majority for progressive parties in the popular vote 

[Renton 21429]

37 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

If those numbers are roughly right it’s a clear majority for progressive parties in the popular vote 

 

True, which makes it all the shitter if the cons get a majority. I'm beginning to be more positve now though. 

[Gemmill 44556]

YouGov has gone from +11 last week for the Tories to +9 this week. Tories static and Labour up 2. Consensus view seems to be that the Tories have basically maxed out their vote share and so now it's just a matter of how much Labour can squeeze the Lib Dems/pinch Leavers from the Tories between now and polling day. 

 

Definitely not over yet though. 

[Gemmill 44556]

Tories flatlining. 

[Kid Dynamite 7011]

10 hours ago, Meenzer said:

This is happening, incidentally. I'm sure it'll all be fine.

 

 

 

Aye, basically we are going to change the law so you can't democratically challenge anything again in parliament. Boris and Reese Mogg are raging they couldn't force their no deal Brexit through

[Ayatollah Hermione 13842]

But CENTRISM

[Renton 21429]

2 hours ago, Gemmill said:

Tories flatlining. 

 

Possibly. They can't squeeze any more out of the BP vote. Plenty more squeezing of the LDs for labour to benefit though. 

 

I had thought the WASPI pledge was a huge blunder. I'm now thinking it was a stroke of genius. 

[Gemmill 44556]

Reports are that Corbyn is going to state that UK military interventions have caused things like this week's attack.  This seems like a really good way to go backwards in the polls. 

[Dr Gloom 21868]

FFS

[Renton 21429]

58 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Reports are that Corbyn is going to state that UK military interventions have caused things like this week's attack.  This seems like a really good way to go backwards in the polls. 

 

It's an argument that's been made on this board countless times. But aye, great strategy going forward. 

[Kid Dynamite 7011]

Boris getting pelters on Marr already 

[ewerk 30393]

Wow, looks like for once he’s managed to avoid the urge to shoot himself in the foot.

 

[Kid Dynamite 7011]

1/3rd through Marr and Boris hasn't been on yet. And they have another 2 guests on top of him. He's going to get 10mins at this rate 

[Renton 21429]

2 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

1/3rd through Marr and Boris hasn't been on yet. And they have another 2 guests on top of him. He's going to get 10mins at this rate 

 

Think it's 15 mins longer than normal.