Politics

[ewerk 30266]

This should be the story of the week.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/14/ae-waiting-times-in-england-hit-worst-ever-level?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet

[Gemmill 44398]

Right bunch of cunts on this thing. 

[Gemmill 44398]

Brexit Party candidate for Kingston upon Hull, who would absolutely get it, is talking about the opportunities that Brexit will open up for the North, despite all economic evidence to the contrary. 

[Rayvin 5183]

8 minutes ago, ewerk said:

This should be the story of the week.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/14/ae-waiting-times-in-england-hit-worst-ever-level?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet

 

Proof that it needs privatization.

[Gemmill 44398]

Here's Farage in a pair of mustard trousers, the giant fucking cunt. 

[Gemmill 44398]

The only way this gets better is if he announces they're reversing their decision to stand down in Tory seats. 

[Rayvin 5183]

what do you mean "gets better"? It sounds good so far or something?

[Gemmill 44398]

No announcement. A load of shite. 

[Dr Gloom 21813]

34 minutes ago, ewerk said:

This should be the story of the week.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2019/nov/14/ae-waiting-times-in-england-hit-worst-ever-level?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet

if only labour could point to recent evidence of improved spending and service under a labour government 

[Alex 34846]

In normal times the 500k disabled people who have successfully taken the government to court over losing benefits would’ve got more of a mention too

[Renton 21311]

5 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

if only labour could point to recent evidence of improved spending and service under a labour government 

 

Labour should wipe the floor on this issue. And be upfront. The tories promises on immigration will wreck the NHS even more.

 

Patel and Javid, 2 second generation immigrants, are rank hypocrites too. 

[Gemmill 44398]

 

 

 

[Gemmill 44398]

 

 

 

[Rayvin 5183]

Agree that there's no chance of a Labour majority but the aim was always a Remain majority.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3809]

9 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Agree that there's no chance of a Labour majority but the aim was always a Remain majority.

But Labour aren’t a remain party.

[Rayvin 5183]

1 minute ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

But Labour aren’t a remain party.

 

Yeah I keep seeing that statement doing the rounds and I find it mystifying. Labour will give us a second vote, which will very probably result in Remain. If it doesn't, I'm not sure any of us have any leg to stand on. Even I accept it at that point, but the second vote, IMO, is basically Remain.

[Rayvin 5183]

Corbyn now saying no indeyref2 in the first two years. Genuinely seems like Labour weren't prepared for this issue. Annoying and unprofessional.

[ewerk 30266]

I think that seems fair enough. In the first year of a Labour government we'd have the re-negotiation with the EU and then a second referendum. To go from that and jump straight into a Scottish referendum doesn't seem reasonable.

[Rayvin 5183]

1 minute ago, ewerk said:

I think that seems fair enough. In the first year of a Labour government we'd have the re-negotiation with the EU and then a second referendum. To go from that and jump straight into a Scottish referendum doesn't seem reasonable.

 

I agree, but yesterday he was saying it wouldn't be in the next 5 years, making this a 24 hour u-turn.

[ewerk 30266]

I think the position now was the original Labour policy. He's just reverted back to it so more of a 360.

[Alex 34846]

Sturgeon can say she'll demand it in return for cooperation in the event of a hung parliament but what’s she going to do? Go into coalition with Tories? As Begbie would say get tae fuckin’ fuck 

[Rayvin 5183]

Owen Jones proving that he reads my posts on here:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/14/lib-dems-labour-brexit-jo-swinson-remain-vote-boris-johnson

 

The Lib Dems will protest that this is terribly unfair. Are they not a national party with the right to stand wherever they choose? Yes, this is how politics works. But the problem is this: the party has made stopping Brexit its defining cause, while simultaneously portraying it as a crusade that transcends party politics. The Lib Dems know that throwing resources at seats they cannot win and peeling away significant numbers of Labour voters will allow the Tories to win. They know that demonising Labour as a “Brexit party” – when a Labour-led government implementing its policy of a second referendum is the only plausible route to stop Brexit – divides remainers to the benefit of the Tory Brexiteers. They know that focusing their vitriol on Corbyn strengthens the position of Johnson.

But ultimately they are not, by definition, an anti-Brexit party; the remain cause is secondary to increasing the number of Lib Dem seats in parliament. If your main aim in politics is to advance the partisan interests of the Lib Dems and repeat their performance in government, then this makes sense. If your only cause is stopping Brexit, however, it does not.

[NJS 4371]

9 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

I agree, but yesterday he was saying it wouldn't be in the next 5 years, making this a 24 hour u-turn.

To be fair he said "early years" - he seemed to want to take scotland along with the union rather than jettison them - I think that's a fair position.

[ewerk 30266]

He said 'first term'.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3809]

36 minutes ago, ewerk said:

I think that seems fair enough. In the first year of a Labour government we'd have the re-negotiation with the EU and then a second referendum. To go from that and jump straight into a Scottish referendum doesn't seem reasonable.

Definitely fair because without a Brexit there is no case for Indyref2