Dr Gloom 21924 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Monkeys Fist said: In other news, Frank Dobson, former Labour Health Secretary, has pegged it. RIP shame there aren't a few more cut from the same cloth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3894 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Renton said: No, you've got the wrong end of the stick here. I'm not talking about MAD. I'm talking about deterring conventional warfare. "Don't attack us or we will fuck you up". As a defensive tactic, much more effective than any matching conventional weapons we could afford. And despite what KCG claims, that's what stopped the Russian tanks rolling across Europe 40 years ago and still does. Nuclear deterrence has stopped large scale conventional war, period. No the deterrent was the fact that if The Soviet Union prepared for conventional invasion everyone would have laughed their bollocks off that 90% of their armoured force would have broken down on the way. Edited November 12, 2019 by Kevin Carr's Gloves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 So the invention of fission and the later fusion thermonuclear bombs and the cessation of direct conflict between superpowers was entirely coincidental then? Give over. Nobody wanted to risk a conventional war because of nuclear escalation. Honestly, its laughable to deny this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42459 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 54 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: shame there aren't a few more cut from the same cloth Remember when some politicians did their jobs, and some BBC journalists weren’t Tory lackeys…? … Ahhh, Hovis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3894 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Renton said: So the invention of fission and the later fusion thermonuclear bombs and the cessation of direct conflict between superpowers was entirely coincidental then? Give over. Nobody wanted to risk a conventional war because of nuclear escalation. Honestly, its laughable to deny this. No Nuclear bombs were created because once out of the box they couldn’t be put back in. As soon as the physics showed it could be done that was it. But even without Nuclear arms conventional world wars were out of the question because of the cost and the improvements in conventional weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44900 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Lib Dem candidate unilaterally stands down in Canterbury to give Rosie Duffield a free run. Within half an hour the Lib Dems announce that that was his personal decision and they'll be running another candidate. Swinson is a fucking psycho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Gemmill said: Lib Dem candidate unilaterally stands down in Canterbury to give Rosie Duffield a free run. Within half an hour the Lib Dems announce that that was his personal decision and they'll be running another candidate. Swinson is a fucking psycho. It is hard to imagine what they think they're going to gain there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Swinson had previously directly appealed to the sitting Labour MP to join them as she seriously thinks all remainers are really lib dems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Just reading the deadline for new candidates is Thursday so he should have waited till then - that gets my cynicism radar going. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, NJS said: Swinson had previously directly appealed to the sitting Labour MP to join them as she seriously thinks all remainers are really lib dems. That's an insane position. Although tbh I have noticed that a decent number of remain voters have utterly no idea what Labour's position is. I find that surprising and clearly it's a LP failure to convey the message clearly, but these are supposed to be well educated people who take an active interest... the ones abandoning Labour for the LDs at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11282 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 13 hours ago, Rayvin said: The great protection has since become globalisation and the interdependency of markets. Unfortunately, some orange cretin is doing his best to end and encouraging protectionism. Which may be why the nuclear option is still required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44900 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 This is fucking brutal. I love the bit at 1:53 where someone must have asked "can we get a friendly brownface walking through that Boris can be nice to?" Someone on here said it the other day but the Tories are at their absolute worst when they pretend to be human. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30620 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 How many takes do you think they had to do until he stopped saying 'curry' after seeing the token brown face? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Oven ready, slam it in the microwave? They’ve thought that one through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 10 hours ago, Rayvin said: That's an insane position. Although tbh I have noticed that a decent number of remain voters have utterly no idea what Labour's position is. I find that surprising and clearly it's a LP failure to convey the message clearly, but these are supposed to be well educated people who take an active interest... the ones abandoning Labour for the LDs at least. The Lib Dems (or Swindon) seem to think they’re got a shot at her being PM. Now that is insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42459 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 22 minutes ago, ewerk said: How many takes do you think they had to do until he stopped saying 'curry' after seeing the token brown face? Almost as many as it took to teach him how to make a cuppa? I love that the first thing he says is literally dogshit- sets the tone nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44900 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Lib Dems in revolt. Their own candidate noting that he's having to apologise on the doorstep for Swinson and threatening to stand down. Statement is well worth reading in full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44900 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Lib Dems doubling down on their insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Just the latest party leader to box themselves in in pursuit of personal gain dressed up as saving the country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Seems to be costing them in the polls though. Down to 15%. This could just get silly from here tbh. If it turns out that the Liberals cost us the seats required to stop the Tories it's yet another betrayal of their voter base. Unless they really do think they're going to become the soft Tory party. Hopefully the swing to Labour represents LDs who recognise that they have to vote tactically. That message, at least, seems to be getting through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20165 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 I really hope he's out meeting "the people" more this election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 what is the worst example of fake news anyone has see in the campaign so far, from any side? obviously there is the starmer GMB interview re-edit, the misleading LD leaflets, Tories claiming Labour's (unpublished) manifesto promises costing us all £2,400 per year. any more whoppers i might have missed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 On the other hand, Corbyn is a terrorist sympathiser still: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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