Politics

[Rayvin 5176]

9 minutes ago, ewerk said:

We have a PM promising to try and scrap the backstop which won’t happen and a Parliament determined to stop no deal.

So what happens? If Johnson goes to the polls on a no deal manifesto he still haemorrhages votes to the Brexit party. If he goes for another referendum and loses then he can hope to hang on and hope it’s less of an issue in 2022. 

This isn’t about Brexit for the Tories, it isn’t about passing meaningful legislation, it’s about hanging on to power until the next crisis and another referendum might be the only way to do that.

 

This is exactly how I see it. The Tories only hope now is to either somehow get no deal through, or put it back to another referendum. 

[ewerk 30266]

I think Johnson knows that no deal is not going to fly and yet has positioned himself in such a way to make it inevitable. A GE or referendum seems to be the only way out of it and I don’t see how he survives a GE.

[NJS 4371]

I know I'm going to sound ludicrously naive but we could really do with someone banging all their heads together with a stated aim of what's best for the country right now and sort everything else later. 

 

I'd even take the fucking queen doing it. 

[ewerk 30266]

When’s the last time you heard anyone on the Brexit side talk about what’s actually best for the country? That argument has been lost and they don’t want to discuss it.

[NJS 4371]

There are still some who think we'll be better off in the long run sadly. 

 

I think the majority are in the "just let it be over* camp not realising even if we come out "smoothly" there'll be another couple of years of shite. 

[Isegrim 9733]

4 hours ago, Monkeys Fist said:

Cunty McCuntcunt. 

Oi, get your own insults! There is no freedom of movement of insults!

[Monkeys Fist 42066]

3 minutes ago, Isegrim said:

Oi, get your own insults! There is no freedom of movement of insults!

But it’s on his Blue passport 

[PaddockLad 17079]

 

 

[Kid Dynamite 6986]

I was saying this today. The worry is that Boris knows he's limited in how much power he wields as an unelected PM. The scary bit comes after a GE when Labour get annihilated and Boris, potentially on a joint ticket with Farage, have a majority behind them to cause untold misery

Edited July 25, 2019 by Kid Dynamite

[Rayvin 5176]

1 minute ago, Kid Dynamite said:

I was saying this today. The worry is that Boris knows he's limited in how much power he wields as an unelected PM. The scary bit comes after a GE when Labour get annihilated and Boris, potentially on a joint ticket with Farage, have a majority behind them to cause untold misery

 

All of which could be headed off if Labour would just get behind Remain.

[Kid Dynamite 6986]

Just now, Rayvin said:

 

All of which could be headed off if Labour would just get behind Remain.

 

I think that boat has sailed now. A more centrist leader may make them more electable but Corbyn is never going to give up his leadership 

[Rayvin 5176]

2 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

 

I think that boat has sailed now. A more centrist leader may make them more electable but Corbyn is never going to give up his leadership 

 

Yes I guess so. EU elections were the time to do it.

 

So we'll sail into the abyss for the sake of disaster socialism, apparently.

[RobinRobin 11130]

15 hours ago, Rayvin said:

There is simply no good logic for their stance, and it is clear to me that they don't have the stones to take on Brexit properly, and simply want it to go away so they can focus on their other policy issues. They're fucking useless.

The logic is that Corbyn was always a Brexit supporter, as evidenced by his lukewarm support for Remain prior to the referendum.

[RobinRobin 11130]

8 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said:

 

Corbyn is never going to give up his leadership 

[Gemmill 44390]

The age of Trump is fully upon us in this country now. Consequence free lying by the PM. 

 

 

 

[Gemmill 44390]

Jonathan Pie takes aim at HS2 Superfan @Renton and leaves him standing with his Thomas the Tank Engine y fronts on back to front. 

 

 

[Alex 34846]

9 hours ago, Gemmill said:

Jonathan Pie takes aim at HS2 Superfan @Renton and leaves him standing with his Thomas the Tank Engine y fronts on back to front. 

 

 

Just like his last meeting with you then 

[Sonatine 11307]

 

What a stupid cunt he is  

[Renton 21302]

1 hour ago, Sonatine said:

 

What a stupid cunt he is  

 

Nobody under the age of 50 will know what imperial measurements are. Not a single scientist or engineer this side of the Atlantic use them. These are the people that make things work. 

 

Basically there aren't the demographics to make a proposal like this work. It will merely fuck off millions of people.  So is he just a stupid cunt or are we missing something? 

 

I've been on holiday for a week and it appears the country has literally gone insane. 

[Alex 34846]

Funny how he was seen as the antidote to Corbyn’s by a lot of the Tory grassroots a while back yet he appears to be such a gargantuan cunt even his fellow Tory MPs wouldn’t countenance him standings in the leadership contest 

[Rayvin 5176]

8 hours ago, Alex said:

Funny how he was seen as the antidote to Corbyn’s by a lot of the Tory grassroots a while back yet he appears to be such a gargantuan cunt even his fellow Tory MPs wouldn’t countenance him standings in the leadership contest 

 

I mean the same was kind of true with Corbyn

[Renton 21302]

Talking of which...  

 

 

[Dr Gloom 21812]

3 hours ago, Renton said:

Talking of which...  

 

 

Sigh 

wheres that from?

[Renton 21302]

From twitter and supposedly a proper poll but I haven't checked the source. At first I thought it was a bit counterintuitive as some of the movement is from conservative to labour. But it makes sense. Tory remainers (wets) will not vote for Corbyn, who is percieved as an extremist. But they would hold their noses for a centrist labour candidate on a remain ticket. And of course people like me wouldn't defect to the lib dems. Corbyn is a fucking disaster for this country, rightly or wrongly. 

Edited July 28, 2019 by Renton

[NJS 4371]

I'd say if he resigned (very unlikely but maybe he could be persuaded) the only likely centrist who could win the leadership would be Watson who I don't think is that appealing. 

 

I'm not quite sure where Starmer fits but I'd take him at the moment. Wanting to retain the bulk of the manifesto being the priority for me (plus stronger remain position obviously).