ewerk 30266 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 It's fucking idiotic is what it is. Have you even heard of STV? Fucking English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15404 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 I'm all for forms of proportional representation, but it seems least relevant of all when it comes to electing someone to deal with dogshit and potholes in your immediate neighbourhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15404 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 Unless you mean using STV at ward level, in which case you'd end up with essentially the same result anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21300 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, Meenzer said: I'm all for forms of proportional representation, but it seems least relevant of all when it comes to electing someone to deal with dogshit and potholes in your immediate neighbourhood. Elected by a few hundred people who bothered to turn up, and including independents. It's probably the only level of politics where I'm happy with FPtP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 I still don't know whether you get to vote several times for candidates in one ward or one vote against several wards. But I've realised that I don't really care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21300 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 I'm not in London, but I imagine if there are 3 places up for grabs, you will have three voting slips with different individuals on each (but same main parties represented). You put a separate cross against one candidate on each slip. And no, I can't be bothered now either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15404 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, ewerk said: I still don't know whether you get to vote several times for candidates in one ward or one vote against several wards. The former. 9 minutes ago, Renton said: I'm not in London, but I imagine if there are 3 places up for grabs, you will have three voting slips with different individuals on each (but same main parties represented). You put a separate cross against one candidate on each slip. And no, I can't be bothered now either. Nope - one big ballot paper with all the candidates on, and you mark up to three candidates. This kind of thing: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21300 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 I see, makes sense. Of course, you have to be able to count to threeeeee for that to work which I'm convinced is beyond much of the electorate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 So it isn’t first past the post, it’s the first three cunts past the post. A complete misnomer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15404 Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 And aye, it's inherently flawed as (precisely because some people don't understand the system) you almost always get more votes for the candidates from each party who come earlier in the alphabet. Plus doing it this way means you're stuck with the exact same make-up of the council for four years instead of being able to reflect local developments in your area by voting for someone else next year. The end result is less accountability because, round here at least, the councillors tend to be conspicuous by their absence for three and a half years only to turn up and do a bit of campaigning ahead of election day, whereas at least when you have elections most years, they have to be seen to be doing something along the way even if it's not their turn to be up for re-election, as otherwise the candidate from their party is less likely to get in. On the other hand, it costs £ to hold elections and Lewisham is broke, so there we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Good night for the Lib Dems by the looks of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 The fuck are you still up for? I've no idea why i am, before you ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4718 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, ewerk said: Good night for the Lib Dems by the looks of it. And there are still Tory MPs claiming their losses as a sign that people want them to get on with Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Who are the other beneficiaries that are hidden under 'Other' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4718 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_the_United_Kingdom#Local_government that lot, no idea who else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 I mean I'm assuming it must be a considerable number of independents tbh. I think this is looking like a good result for Remain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34846 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 It’s unequivocally a good result for Remain. The Tories can argue otherwise but it only shows just how blatantly dishonest they are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Hopefully by 'sort it' he means stop it. Because there ain't nobody defecting to the Lib Dems and Greens because they want Labour to deliver Brexit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15404 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 As one of the first replies says - two cheeks of the same arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Barry Gardiner was a remainer and is in a remain seat yet appears to have been one of Labour's biggest cheerleaders for leaving. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21300 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, ewerk said: Barry Gardiner was a remainer and is in a remain seat yet appears to have been one of Labour's biggest cheerleaders for leaving. Why? Barry Gardiner is an over exposed arsehole. Sick of these cunts. This is a taster for the Euro elections. I actually put my cross against Labour for the local candidate because I couldn't stomach the alternatives (UKip, tories, Green), and spoiled votes aren't counted. Voted LD in the mayoral, first time ever I have voted against Labour. I'll never vote Labour again nationally as long as Corbyn is leader and/or they don't adopt an unambiguous anti-Brexit or pro PV position. I wonder come the 23rd what type of person votes Labour? My guess is it will be mainly loyal remainers, with Brexiters pissing off to Farage's scummy party. These people are gone, and what's more you should be saying good riddance to the racist fuckers. Because you have to be racist to vote for Farage. Given this, Labour could mop up huge quantities of remain votes simply by unambiguously taking a remain stance. Will they? Will they fuck. Morally bankrupt cowards of the first order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 They would really stop the Lib Dem surge and could kill the Tiggers in their infancy by coming out as remain. There's lots of votes to be won there but Corbyn is too instransigent to do anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30266 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Fucking hell, Sunderland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21300 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, ewerk said: Fucking hell, Sunderland. Absolute turkeys voting for Xmas, the stupid cunts. It'd be hilarious were it not for the negative impact of Nissan shutting will have on the whole NE. As it is, it just makes me hate them more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21300 Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 Thinking about it, Labour seem to care more about losing the ignorant racist vote than the considered progressive vote. Once again, fuck them. I'm done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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