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[Rayvin 5176]

1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said:

 i blame the jewish-controlled media

 

I blame a lack of impartiality and corporate influences but whatever floats your boat I guess

Edited March 5, 2019 by Rayvin

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[Dr Gloom 21812]

14 hours ago, Rayvin said:

 

I blame a lack of impartiality and corporate influences but whatever floats your boat I guess

Here is another open resignation letter from a Jewish labour member 

https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/dear-jeremy-corbyn-richard-horton-resignation-letter-1.481017

[ewerk 30266]

On 3/1/2019 at 12:31, ewerk said:

And again.

And again...

 

[Dr Gloom 21812]

It’s almost like there’s an antisemtism problem in the Labour Party!

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Sounds like even JMcD is distancing himself from Jezza over this 

[NJS 4371]

21 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

Sounds like even JMcD is distancing himself from Jezza over this 

I think McDonnell, Watson, Starmer and possibly more are starting to distance themselves from him on a few things - there may be trouble ahead.

 

To be clear I'd welcome the trouble that produces a better leader - as long as the policy platform isn't watered down.

 

 

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I think McDonnell has much better leadership skills than Corbyn.

[NJS 4371]

2 minutes ago, ewerk said:

I think McDonnell has much better leadership skills than Corbyn.

He's been very good recently.

 

 

[Dr Gloom 21812]

20 minutes ago, NJS said:

I think McDonnell, Watson, Starmer and possibly more are starting to distance themselves from him on a few things - there may be trouble ahead.

 

To be clear I'd welcome the trouble that produces a better leader - as long as the policy platform isn't watered down.

 

 

the policy platform is brilliant, other than the lack of opposition on brexit. that's why this is all so bloody frustrating. i just don't dig the antisemitism stuff, it's a bit too close to home. 

Edited March 6, 2019 by Dr Gloom

[Dr Gloom 21812]

5 minutes ago, ewerk said:

I think McDonnell has much better leadership skills than Corbyn.

he isn't thick either. 

[ewerk 30266]

6 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

the policy platform is brilliant, other than the lack of opposition on brexit. that's why this is all so bloody frustrating. i don't dig the antisemitism stuff, a bit too close to home. 

I'm not sure about this forcing companies to give employees shares craic.

[Rayvin 5176]

1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said:

Here is another open resignation letter from a Jewish labour member 

https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/dear-jeremy-corbyn-richard-horton-resignation-letter-1.481017

 

And?

 

What do you want me to acknowledge that you feel I haven't acknowledged?

[Rayvin 5176]

18 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

the policy platform is brilliant, other than the lack of opposition on brexit. that's why this is all so bloody frustrating. i just don't dig the antisemitism stuff, it's a bit too close to home. 

 

It doesnt make any difference. If Corbyn goes and McDonnell takes over they'll just find something to tear him apart over as well.

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32 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

And?

 

What do you want me to acknowledge that you feel I haven't acknowledged?

that there is a festering antisemitism problem that has developed while corbyn has been leader, which has shamed the party and disgusted jewish members. 

so far you put it down to media bias. you claimed corbyn's only failure here is his refusal to pay lip service to something that is little more than a distraction. 

you also argued your position is reinforced by a lack of evidence of antisemitism within the labour party itself. this is plainly wrong. it isn't just twitter trolls. there are myriad examples in this thread which suggest otherwise, and which i'm going to continue to flag, so you're better informed. 

Edited March 6, 2019 by Dr Gloom

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24 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

It doesnt make any difference. If Corbyn goes and McDonnell takes over they'll just find something to tear him apart over as well.

wrong again. it could potentially make a huge difference. if corbyn goes, we might see Mcd properly oppose brexit. he's a much smarter politician.

[NJS 4371]

37 minutes ago, ewerk said:

I'm not sure about this forcing companies to give employees shares craic.

Why?

 

I think if the intention is to give them a say then it may be tokenistic - I think to give them a stake in success its not a bad idea.

 

They've started giving us shares (I also got some when I first joined) but I think its in anticipation of shit bonuses this year - most people including me are selling them as soon as we can to offset said shitness.

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Well I think under McDonnell's plan they can't sell the shares, they just get dividends and voting rights. Which makes the whole thing a bit pointless IMO and will possibly discourage international investment.

[Rayvin 5176]

26 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

wrong again. it could potentially make a huge difference. if corbyn goes, we might see Mcd properly oppose brexit. he's a much smarter politician.

 

If you say so man. I've given up.

[Rayvin 5176]

30 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

that there is a festering antisemitism problem that has developed while corbyn has been leader, which has shamed the party and disgusted jewish members. 

so far you put it down to media bias. you claimed corbyn's only failure here is his refusal to pay lip service to something that is little more than a distraction. 

you also argued your position is reinforced by a lack of evidence of antisemitism within the labour party itself. this is plainly wrong. it isn't just twitter trolls. there are myriad examples in this thread which suggest otherwise, and which i'm going to continue to flag, so you're better informed. 

 

I've argued the media coverage is disproportionate.

 

Do you feel this is more important than children knifing each other, homeless people dying on the streets, mental health cuts, cuts to domestic violence shelters at a time with more women than ever are reporting it, etc.

 

Because it's getting a metric fuckton more coverage than all of those combined.

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17 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

If you say so man. I've given up.

Corbyn is an incompetent leader. We can’t blame that on the media. It always should have been McDonnell, he tried but never managed it and Corbyn got lucky and reluctantly decided to give it a go at the right time, unfortunately. I’m convinced MCD would have crushed the antisemtism crisis and properly opposed Brexit in a way Corbyn hasn’t. 

[Rayvin 5176]

Just now, Dr Gloom said:

Corbyn is an incompetent leader. We can’t blame that on the media. It always should have been McDonnell, he tried but never managed it and Corbyn got lucky and reluctantly decided to give it a go at the right time, unfortunately. I’m convinced MCD would have crushed the antisemtism crisis and properly opposed Brexit in a way Corbyn hasn’t. 

 

And I'm convinced the media would have crushed him. I see Tommy fucking Robinson is now exposing corrupt media practices, of all people. Some serious 'getting your house in order' shit needs to go down in the media industry.

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Corbyn is a fucking cretin. I honestly don't know what he's doing. He must be getting some serious momentum groupie trim cos I can't see what else he's getting out of the job. 

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19 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

I've argued the media coverage is disproportionate.

 

Do you feel this is more important than children knifing each other, homeless people dying on the streets, mental health cuts, cuts to domestic violence shelters at a time with more women than ever are reporting it, etc.

 

Because it's getting a metric fuckton more coverage than all of those combined.

I don’t think that’s true at all. Knife crime stories are splashed all over our front pages when they occur, and rightly so. The effects of Tory austerity are horrific and have also been widely reported. 

Is it wrong that the antisemitism story has received so much coverage? That depends on what you think about what has been reported. It’s right to suggest that plenty of UK media groups are terrified of a Corbyn government and have jumped all over this story. It’s wrong to suggest this story doesn’t exist or isn’t newsworthy.

[Rayvin 5176]

8 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

I don’t think that’s true at all. Knife crime stories are splashed all over our front pages when they occur, and rightly so. The effects of Tory austerity are horrific and have also been widely reported. 

Is it wrong that the antisemitism story has received so much coverage? That depends on what you think about what has been reported. It’s right to suggest that plenty of UK media groups are terrified of a Corbyn government and have jumped all over this story. It’s wrong to suggest this story doesn’t exist or isn’t newsworthy.

 

Yeah I didnt say anything about newsworthiness but I'd bet my last quid that in the previous 6 months  with the exception of Brexit,  no other topic has commanded more articles.

 

If I'm right, would you consider that proportionate coverage? If yes then we don't need to talk about this anymore since we fundamentally differ on this point.

Edited March 6, 2019 by Rayvin