Kid Dynamite 7030 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 21 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: It is an actual fault. He is driving Jewish people away from the Labour Party. For Umuna it was about Brexit, again perfectly understandable. Tom Watson nails it Nails what? He's another one peddling the line about antisemitism in the Labour Party without actually explaining where or what it is? He's on a par with Corbyn for being fucking useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Tbf the highest profile anti-semitism case did result in decisive expulsion - Ken Livingstone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7030 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, ewerk said: Right so even though the party’s deputy leader called on the party to take a stronger stance on their antisemitism problem you still don’t think it exists? Fucking clueless. Tom Watson ffs He takes his cues off the media to score points against Corbyn. What's he done about this problem like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7030 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, NJS said: Tbf the highest profile anti-semitism case did result in decisive expulsion - Ken Livingstone. Exactly. There's one proven case. He was kicked out the party for good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30616 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, NJS said: Tbf the highest profile anti-semitism case did result in decisive expulsion - Ken Livingstone. What the actual fuck are you talking about? He resigned after being suspended for two years. He had been making anti Semitic comments for thirty years before that. It’s definitely not the case you want to use to support your view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 I thought he was expelled, Soz if I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7030 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ewerk said: What the actual fuck are you talking about? He resigned after being suspended for two years. He had been making anti Semitic comments for thirty years before that. It’s definitely not the case you want to use to support your view. He was suspended for 2 years and pushed out shortly after his return. It was clear at the time the resignation wasn't voluntary. Yet its also proof Labour is antisemitic under Corbyn? If he'd been making those comments for 30 years why werent any previous Labour leaders hammered for leading an anti Semitic party too? We are going to have too agree to disagree on this one Edited February 18, 2019 by Kid Dynamite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30616 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Kid Dynamite said: He was suspended for 2 years and pushed out shortly after his return. It was clear at the time the resignation wasn't voluntary. Yet its also proof Labour is antisemitic under Corbyn? We are going to have too agree to disagree on this one It’s further proof that Labour were incredibly slow to seriously deal with their antisemitism problem. Look at the fiasco over the implementation of the IHRA. It’s not like you have to look too hard to find these examples. It’s honestly amazing that you’ve missed literally all the accusations of antisemitism over the past few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) Obviously I feel that it's a bullshit narrative pulled out of almost thin air to discredit Corbyn at a time when very little else was working. Doesn't mean it shouldn't have been stamped out as a lipservice move as any other political party would do. Edited February 18, 2019 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 57 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Nails what? He's another one peddling the line about antisemitism in the Labour Party without actually explaining where or what it is? He's on a par with Corbyn for being fucking useless He nails Corbyn’s lack of leadership on this issues This has been coming and Corbyn hasn’t done enough to prevent it, mainly because he refuses to be pragmatic about anything, which is why I doubt he’ll ever govern. Read this from a Jewish councillor who also resigned today. https://medium.com/@adamlangleben/my-resignation-from-the-labour-party-fa330afacb86 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Gloom, as a Jewish man do you feel under threat from hard left thugs - am I just not seeing this somehow? I'm curious as to how exactly a few anti-Zionist conspiracy nutters are actually impacting anything. I know it's a slippery slope etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3894 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said: List me some proven examples then You mean apart from the example he just gave? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7030 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 32 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: You mean apart from the example he just gave? Yes. It's rampant apparently. Except no one knows exactly how, other than cos the papers say so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Derek Hatton has rejoined and Galloway expected to. Well done you Corbynistas, youve given the keys of the party to the lunatics and utterly destroyed any notion of an opposition this country had. Dont say you weren't warned. Idiots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 The opposition who abstained in the welfare bill? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, NJS said: The opposition who abstained in the welfare bill? I'm not going to deny that Labour got their strategy hopelessly wrong under the wrong Miliband. He was a coward. But what an utter shit show its been under Corbyn. He's been worse than my worst nightmare. Even the deputy thinks so. Edited February 19, 2019 by Renton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 That was under a prime Blairite. It's the same numbers game - you can bleat and howl or make great points all you like, without a majority you're powerless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 9 hours ago, Rayvin said: Gloom, as a Jewish man do you feel under threat from hard left thugs - am I just not seeing this somehow? I'm curious as to how exactly a few anti-Zionist conspiracy nutters are actually impacting anything. I know it's a slippery slope etc. I don’t personally, no. It’s obvious that these antisemitic nutters you speak of are on the rise though. J69 called for evidence - all you need to do is look at Twitter, and Labour, my political party, the party of tolerance, hasn’t done enough to make these people feel their voice has no place. just when Corbyn’s lack of leadership couldn’t sound more gobsmacking, Luciana Berger reveals he hasn’t spoken to her for 14 months. Is it any surprise she couldn’t bring herself to support him in public after over a year of the silent treatment? What a berk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I think Berger has been a true victim and I fell sorry for her but I'd make the point that random cunts on twitter aren't necessarily party members or officials. Some NUFC fans post horrific racist and other bigoted shite but I think holding the club to account is expecting a bit much - though I would expect complaints against ST holders to be followed up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 1 hour ago, NJS said: I think Berger has been a true victim and I fell sorry for her but I'd make the point that random cunts on twitter aren't necessarily party members or officials. Some NUFC fans post horrific racist and other bigoted shite but I think holding the club to account is expecting a bit much - though I would expect complaints against ST holders to be followed up. How do you feel about Hatton rejoining? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 It's bad publicity but I'm sure there are plenty of other members as or more extreme. I do honestly think the party should be a broad church but people who actively say they'd rather have a tory government than a Labour one led by Corbyn have no place. As I said yesterday rejecting a moderately left wing manifesto they benefitted from in terms of their majorities is a bit much without calling a by-election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, NJS said: It's bad publicity but I'm sure there are plenty of other members as or more extreme. I do honestly think the party should be a broad church but people who actively say they'd rather have a tory government than a Labour one led by Corbyn have no place. As I said yesterday rejecting a moderately left wing manifesto they benefitted from in terms of their majorities is a bit much without calling a by-election. I'd rather have a tory government led by a moderate wet like Clarke or Major than a Labour one under Corbyn. There, I said it. Not May or any of her likely replacements though. I cannot see Corbyn being anything other than a complete disaster, not that he will ever be in power. I support the 7, Hatton can fuck off and die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 As for Galloway, the fact he is even being considered just re-emphasises the antisemitic movement in the party. There is no chance Corbyn will clear up his act regarding this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15531 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 I like to think that power and the reality of actually having to do things would force the Corbyn wing to compromise in ways that they don't have to when they're in opposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, Renton said: I'd rather have a tory government led by a moderate wet like Clarke or Major than a Labour one under Corbyn. There, I said it. Not May or any of her likely replacements though. I cannot see Corbyn being anything other than a complete disaster, not that he will ever be in power. I support the 7, Hatton can fuck off and die. You support no policies, just a vague hankering back to NL - fair enough. Those manifesto policies poll extremely well on their own terms so describing them as extreme shows how far right the goal posts have been moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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