ewerk 30262 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, NJS said: You're right but I think it's fair enough to point out that despite being a great war leader, he was a racist, bordering on fascist bastard. Who wasn’t back then? The problem is he’s being judged by today’s standards. If you go back through history then I’m sure there aren’t too many who come out squeaky clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11307 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Good on them if they were Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17079 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 Re: Churchill & Empire. Rees Mogg going into bat for him last night on QT elicited this response on a well known social media site... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21295 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: Re: Churchill & Empire. Rees Mogg going into bat for him last night on QT elicited this response on a well known social media site... I saw that on QT last night. He really compared British concentration camps, which he claimed were beneficial the natives, were no worse than living in Glasgow. Really. And people applauded. Really. Nobody bats an eyelid. This is where we are now. We have a massive problem. Edited February 15, 2019 by Renton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30262 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 A typically transparent fraud. Unfortunately he only has to know a tiny bit more that those who follow him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21295 Posted February 15, 2019 Share Posted February 15, 2019 There was a woman practically in tears in the audience explaining why her high tech chemical company would have to move or close if we had a hard Brexit. Not a single fuck was given by the panel. Its as if they didn't hear her. JRM made up some anecdote about a chemical company who he claims would benefit from the reduction in red tape. And that was that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34839 Posted February 16, 2019 Share Posted February 16, 2019 He’s the latest ‘eccentric’ to receive far more BBC airtime than he warrants. I haven’t been able to face QT for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30262 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Four Labour MPs expected to resign the whip this morning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17079 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) Chukkas chucking it in then... BBC News - Several Labour MPs about to resign, say party sources http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47274905 Interesting to see Labour also as catastrophically split and it's mps acting in their own narrow self interest as the Tories are. On a slightly more disappointing note I fear this news will see the return of CT to the TT political debating chamber today Edited February 18, 2019 by PaddockLad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30262 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Are they acting in their own self-interest or are they sick of the leadership continually ignoring the wishes of their MPs and the party membership? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17079 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, ewerk said: Are they acting in their own self-interest or are they sick of the leadership continually ignoring the wishes of their MPs and the party membership? Not denying that for a minute but will this see a Tory PM being returned at the first post Brexit GE? That's my issue. They destroy the democratic fabric of this country yet remain in control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30262 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Assuming that they’ll sit as independents rather than starting a new party then a lot can happen between now and the next election. Labour have been twiddling their thumbs while the Tories have been fucking up Brexit. It’s about time someone did something in an attempt to wake them from their slumber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 I would have been appalled by this some time ago but honestly don't see what choice Corbyn is leaving anyone on the Remain side now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19885 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/feb/18/several-labour-mps-set-to-quit-the-party-politics-live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 If they all continue to vote the right way then it doesn't even matter. Mostly symbolic. I dont see any route for them back into serious power from here though. Maybe they hope to pick up a few others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30262 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 The MPs have arrived. They are: Chuka Umunna Luciana Berger Chris Leslie Angela Smith Mike Gapes Gavin Shuker Anne Coffey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Reading what they're saying mind... its all total shite so far. "The world is more complicated that oppressors and oppressed". Aye it may well be, but that's still a big fucking part of it. Not that you would expect any middle of the road MPs to know that. Getting very clear reminders of why the centre has had its ass handed to it at every turn over the past few years. Grim to think this delusional nonsense is once again 'my team' ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30262 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Boy did David Lammy choose the right day to be a stand in presenter on LBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Umunna is right that politics is broken, but is he really the man to turn it around? Does he actually think that 'a new party' will somehow fix this? Might end up being another step towards PR though, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15401 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Are they getting a backlash? I wouldn't actually have thought anyone would be sad to see them go truthfully, Berger and Umunna have just been a pain in Corbyn's side for months. I'm not even fully aware of who the others are, though Leslie and Smith sound vaguely familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Corbyn's statement is of course, more of the same stuff he always says. I fucking hate everyone. The end. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17079 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, Rayvin said: Corbyn's statement is of course, more of the same stuff he always says. I fucking hate everyone. The end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4371 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Corbyn's statement is of course, more of the same stuff he always says. I fucking hate everyone. The end. They all increased their majorities fighting on that manifesto. Simple question - what do they reject and what's their alternative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30262 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Just now, NJS said: Simple question - what do they reject and what's their alternative? Just have a look at their website https://theindependent.group/ Oh, it doesn't work... Well that's a promising start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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