Dr Gloom 21924 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Someone should ask Corbyn if Israel has the right to exist. This is a good read by Philip Stephens in the FT https://www.ft.com/content/eda6fc12-b0fd-11e8-99ca-68cf89602132 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 39 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: Are you trying to be obtuse, Israel is the Jewish people having a homeland. Come on man, having a homeland and having it be this specific iteration are not the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13869 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: Will Corbyn condemn the posters? He should condemn the posters on this message board, thank you for reading 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3894 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Come on man, having a homeland and having it be this specific iteration are not the same thing. WTF seriously Israel is the Jewish homeland and has been for centuries it was only taken off them by invasions. The initial endeavour of Israel was to give the persecuted Jews a homeland, it was not about displacing Palestinians. That came about later. I am honestly dumbfounded you don't get that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said: WTF seriously Israel is the Jewish homeland and has been for centuries it was only taken off them by invasions. The initial endeavour of Israel was to give the persecuted Jews a homeland, it was not about displacing Palestinians. That came about later. I am honestly dumbfounded you don't get that. I do get that. We're arguing over the semantic difference between "the" and "a". If we gave every invaded country back to its original people, the world would look rather different, I feel. Certainly Europe would. Look, I don't care enough anymore to go through this again tbh, I should have just kept my nose out. I will say that whoever is hanging up those posters is doing no one on the left any favours - but the left shooting itself in the foot isn't exactly new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Rayvin said: No he won't. At some point, I'm going to have to read some manner of detailed explanation as to why that statement is anti-Semitic. I could understand "Jewish people having a homeland is a racist endeavour" being a problem, but not "Israel". More importantly though, the dumbfucks who have done this - presumably - are on Corbyn's side in the whole thing. And now they're just causing him problems. I wouldn't be surprised if it was May herself who ran around putting them up. She's not that competent. The full-on Corbyn nutters are that stupid though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Rayvin said: I do get that. We're arguing over the semantic difference between "the" and "a". If we gave every invaded country back to its original people, the world would look rather different, I feel. Certainly Europe would. Look, I don't care enough anymore to go through this again tbh, I should have just kept my nose out. I will say that whoever is hanging up those posters is doing no one on the left any favours - but the left shooting itself in the foot isn't exactly new. this is why people think corbyn is an antisemite though. so it's important, and his silence is not only damaging the party but it is emboldening a group who have no place in left-wing politics. we can argue about the semantics of the IHRA definition of antisemitism all day, but why does he continue to insist on qualifying something which is globally-recognised? it's good enough for the rest of the world, but not for corbyn. is it because he's an antisemite or because he wants to protect a growing wing of his supporters who reject israel's right to exist? i don't think he is an antisemite, but he's picked sides in several conflicts, it's not just israel-paelstine, and his refusal to budge an inch makes him unfit to lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44882 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Pretty sure Operation Yellowhammer is what CT calls his knob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30611 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 19 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: i don't think he is an antisemite, but he's picked sides in several conflicts, it's not just israel-paelstine, and his refusal to budge an inch makes him unfit to lead. It's because he believes that he is morally superior to everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11378 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 On 05/09/2018 at 12:01, ewerk said: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45421445 Need any more evidence, Thomas? A picture of Putin handing them the vial of novichok perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15531 Posted September 6, 2018 Share Posted September 6, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30611 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 How can you even be an MP and not know that? Or even a semi-educated human being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30611 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 So it makes sense now why Johnson took so long to move out of his grace and favour house. His wife has kicked him out again after cheating on her for the third time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44882 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Imagine the level of self respect you'd have to have to even marry that cunt, never mind let him rack up three affairs (that you know of). I know this is victim shaming but she married Boris Johnson, so fuck her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30611 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 She's Tory and pro-Brexit so deserves all she gets tbf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted September 7, 2018 Author Share Posted September 7, 2018 3 hours ago, ewerk said: So it makes sense now why Johnson took so long to move out of his grace and favour house. His wife has kicked him out again after cheating on her for the third time. Having his cake and eating it has caught up with him . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rayvin 5223 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I reflected on it and it turns out I don't care. I mean Israel is, after all, a racist state - according to the UN anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3894 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Rayvin said: I reflected on it and it turns out I don't care. I mean Israel is, after all, a racist state - according to the UN anyway. I totally agree with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 I'd be curious to understand their motivations though. Are they really about supremacy or is there a pragmatic reason for it... Either way, I still don't understand why a country that isn't a threat to the UK in any way (despite being racist), is the Labour party's main foreign policy issue right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30611 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5223 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Well Corbyn isn't bringing it up, and I understand that the press of course have been told to go for him, but why the rest of Labour ffs. It's like they've learned nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30611 Posted September 7, 2018 Share Posted September 7, 2018 Aye, these Jewish MPs should pipe down about the anti-semitic abuse they've been receiving from Labour members. They should have a bit of perspective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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