ewerk 30243 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 But why... and from a lib dem... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30243 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) because she's a woman, innit? Edited March 5, 2018 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30243 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) WTF? Why won't this board let me say *c*u*z? Goddamn spelling nazis. @Ant Edited March 5, 2018 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Ah of course, so that future generations of women can more easily imagine themselves able to ruin the lives of vast swathes of the country. Feminism literally doesn't give a shit about anything other than appearances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15392 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Feminism literally doesn't give a shit about anything other than appearances. Parky would be proud of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 I daresay. But I feel that a variant of feminism that feels putting someone like Thatcher onto a pedestal, after all the harm she caused, is a variant of feminism that needs some criticism, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30243 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 What if Hitler had’ve been a woman, eh? Would we have been erecting statues to her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) 57 minutes ago, ewerk said: What if Hitler had’ve been a woman, eh? Would we have been erecting statues to her? I actually typed that same thing out and then decided that people would misconstrue it as a recommendation Edited March 5, 2018 by Rayvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13794 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 2 hours ago, ewerk said: Really? Liked the reply to that which just said “We’re already living in it” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15392 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 2 hours ago, Rayvin said: I daresay. But I feel that a variant of feminism that feels putting someone like Thatcher onto a pedestal, after all the harm she caused, is a variant of feminism that needs some criticism, don't you? It's a variant of feminism now, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11306 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, Meenzer said: It's a variant of feminism now, is it? I said that to make it more palatable for you You know what I think already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30243 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43295134 Another Litvinenko? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGingerQuiff 2412 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Sure we'll hit back with some stiffer economic sanctions if they've brought poison onto our shores to commit murder again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21811 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Russian presidential elections next week. Can’t fathom who might win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30243 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 I reckon it might be Putin, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21811 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 It’s anyone’s race Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 Russian democracy What I don't understand is why he doesn't dispense with it altogether. Is there really anyone in Russia, or the world, who doesn't understand what is going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4371 Posted March 6, 2018 Share Posted March 6, 2018 It all seemed quite hopeful when Gorbachev was in - couple of cunts since and it's went to shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 Have the centre left now given up completely. I would have thought by now a new party would be a serious starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 The centre left is having to choose between being Tory or being actual left. In the same way that centre-left voters are. For the same reason that Labour can't really just abandon Corbynism now, the centre left can't just up sticks and try to offer something else. For one thing, they'll find the Tories are sitting firmly where they used to on many issues, and for another, there is no compelling narrative for them to do this with. The Lib Dems tried with Brexit and Remain and were obliterated once again. On the left, Corbyn is the only game in town, and he has at least another election to prove this - especially now that the party seems to have forced some concessions from him on Brexit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 32 minutes ago, Rayvin said: The centre left is having to choose between being Tory or being actual left. In the same way that centre-left voters are. For the same reason that Labour can't really just abandon Corbynism now, the centre left can't just up sticks and try to offer something else. For one thing, they'll find the Tories are sitting firmly where they used to on many issues, and for another, there is no compelling narrative for them to do this with. The Lib Dems tried with Brexit and Remain and were obliterated once again. On the left, Corbyn is the only game in town, and he has at least another election to prove this - especially now that the party seems to have forced some concessions from him on Brexit. I think there’s a lot of people caught between the two. I like some leftish policies but I wouldn’t want the whole fruit basket (IMO) that comes with them. As always with most politicians I presume the centrists are too worried about their jobs to go it alone. It’s got to come soon though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5176 Posted March 9, 2018 Share Posted March 9, 2018 1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said: I think there’s a lot of people caught between the two. I like some leftish policies but I wouldn’t want the whole fruit basket (IMO) that comes with them. As always with most politicians I presume the centrists are too worried about their jobs to go it alone. It’s got to come soon though. Ask yourself what platform they stand on to launch this party, and I suspect you'll have the answer as to why it hasn't happened yet. Research shows that if people look at policies alone, they choose a collection of ideas that are more left wing than where Labour are presently. So they aren't going to have policy to rely on. They'd have to go for 'compassionate realism'. And honestly, isn't that what the Lib Dems are doing? It isn't working. The only thing a centre left party could do, is split Labour's vote and gift the Tories another election win. Everyone on the left knows this. Why would any of us choose it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4685 Posted March 9, 2018 Author Share Posted March 9, 2018 21 minutes ago, Rayvin said: Ask yourself what platform they stand on to launch this party, and I suspect you'll have the answer as to why it hasn't happened yet. Research shows that if people look at policies alone, they choose a collection of ideas that are more left wing than where Labour are presently. So they aren't going to have policy to rely on. They'd have to go for 'compassionate realism'. And honestly, isn't that what the Lib Dems are doing? It isn't working. The only thing a centre left party could do, is split Labour's vote and gift the Tories another election win. Everyone on the left knows this. Why would any of us choose it? Well I know you wouldn’t choose it but there are many Labour MP’s who are naturally closer to conservative policy than Corbyn / Mcdonell. I suppose its all the grass root root machinery that really scuppers it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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