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[Gemmill 44342]

1 hour ago, ewerk said:

 

 

Aside from her natural awkwardness and the fact that she should have been prepared for that question I think she did okay. She can't answer it honestly so rejects the premise of the question, it's a fair enough approach.

 

If that's the prime minister doing "okay", I'd hate to see her made to look like a total cunt. 

[ewerk 30240]

You expect too much of her. If she goes and we get BoJo then you'll really see how a PM can make a cunt of themselves.

[Alex 34821]

10 hours ago, Meenzer said:

Thus:

 

 

 

So glad we took back control of everything.

Joking aside that's my big disappointment with Corbyn following on from his post-election position of strength. Seems to have gone back to invisible man mode as well.

[Renton 21270]

Aye, I don't think this waiting game can go forever, we're running g out of time. I'll always dislike many of Corbyn's beliefs but his anti-EU stance is by far me biggest issue with him. He needs to realise that an isolationist approach is going to get him nowhere, bombardier proved that.

 

Who knows what's going to happen. I genuinely think as time runs out we are heading towards a national emergency. 

[Christmas Tree 4685]

There’s nothing at all isolationist about Corbyn or Brexit.

 

The simplistic “having our cake and eating” position is without doubt the most beneficial economical position for this country. The only issue is how close to this position we can agree.

 

Wanting to continue as we are with regard to EU trade, security, euratom, education etc and wanting to open up more free markets around the world is anything but isolationism.

 

 

[ewerk 30240]

That is without doubt one of the most stupid posts you've ever made on here. And that's really saying something.

[Alex 34821]

Something which won't happen isn't beneficial

[Park Life 71]

We won't be leaving the EU in any meaningful way. They are just moving the pieces around till they can find a way to sell us being 'out' but 'in'.

[Renton 21270]

15 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

There’s nothing at all isolationist about Corbyn or Brexit.

 

The simplistic “having our cake and eating” position is without doubt the most beneficial economical position for this country. The only issue is how close to this position we can agree.

 

Wanting to continue as we are with regard to EU trade, security, euratom, education etc and wanting to open up more free markets around the world is anything but isolationism.

 

 

 

How many times do you need to be told the "having your cake and eating it" scenario is impossible? The EU haven't changed their stance on this and won't. Most if not all the hard Brexit politicians (BJ, Fox, JRM etc), in between howling at the moon, have accepted this. Meanwhile more moderate brexiters are crapping their pants (Hammond).

 

Tusk reaffirmed this the other day. He's always maintained that the options really are hard Brexit it no change (although I'd include diminished status as an EEA member in the latter). The question of which is about 50:50 in my eyes. Your scenario just doesn't register and there is not a shred of evidence to back it up.

 

As for isolationist, yes it fucking well is. Removing my European citizenship is by definition isolationist, and I fucking resent it. 

[Renton 21270]

11 minutes ago, Park Life said:

We won't be leaving the EU in any meaningful way. They are just moving the pieces around till they can find a way to sell us being 'out' but 'in'.

I hope so but seriously concerned over this right wing coup in the Tory party and the continued evidence a large proportion of the public are CT like idiots who just won't get it before it's too late. 

[Alex 34821]

I guess leaving the EU could be more liberal and less isolationist in theory but that only works if the EU and other trade agreements / organisations then cease to exist and everyone starts with a clean slate. Because that's on the cards.

[Meenzer 15391]

Imagine thinking that isolating yourself from your nearest neighbours is anti-isolationist.

[Rayvin 5176]

Still think Corbyn can't move until it gets really bad. He'll come out in favour of the EU though, I suspect. If he doesn't then the party will be back in crisis mode.

 

He has to wait for the Tories to effectively say it can't be done. Maybe when May resigns.

Edited October 11, 2017 by Rayvin

[Renton 21270]

Trump wants out of NAFTA (although probably isn't stupid enough to do it), widely seen as an extremely isolationist move, although presumably not to CT.

 

Makes me laugh, all these brexiters are internationalists who just want equal opportunities for Indians and Africans etc. No, most are racists who would balk into their cornflakes if they thought more "coloureds" were coming. 

[Gemmill 44342]

Hammond saying we should prepare for a "bad-tempered breakdown" of relations with the EU. 

 

Honestly, Cameron, Gove and Johnson should be publicly flogged for this shitshow, the smarmy cunts. 

[Park Life 71]

13 minutes ago, Meenzer said:

Imagine thinking that isolating yourself from your nearest neighbours is anti-isolationist.

Keep your enemies close and your neighbors closer.

[Alex 34821]

22 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Hammond saying we should prepare for a "bad-tempered breakdown" of relations with the EU. 

 

Honestly, Cameron, Gove and Johnson should be publicly flogged for this shitshow, the smarmy cunts. 

Sounds to me a bit like they're hoping for a shit deal which can then be put up for a second referendum. All well and good until the fuckwits vote to accept it

[Ayatollah Hermione 13793]

CT regularly has his cake and eats it so I’m not sure why his position on this is so baffling.

[ewerk 30240]

 

 

 

Oooff.

[Christmas Tree 4685]

2 hours ago, Alex said:

Something which won't happen isn't beneficial

 

As it’s the most beneficial economic outcome for both parties, I believe it will happen or be as near as possible to it.

 

I constantly here people on here talk about worst case scenarios and highlight the problem areas, but assuming a deal is agreed, which bits of the cake do they really think we won’t get?

[Alex 34821]

1 minute ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

As it’s the most beneficial economic outcome for both parties, I believe it will happen or be as near as possible to it.

 

I constantly here people on here talk about worst case scenarios and highlight the problem areas, but assuming a deal is agreed, which bits of the cake do they really think we won’t get?

Here, here

[Meenzer 15391]

Assume makes an ass out of u and ur duck pizza.

[Renton 21270]

40 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

 

As it’s the most beneficial economic outcome for both parties, I believe it will happen or be as near as possible to it.

 

I constantly here people on here talk about worst case scenarios and highlight the problem areas, but assuming a deal is agreed, which bits of the cake do they really think we won’t get?

 

So far you have completely ignored all posts about why your scenario isn't even technically possible. It's almost like you don't understand how the EU and single market functions at a fundamental level.... 

 

But putting that aside, seriously, what grounds for optimism do you have that the negotiations are going well? Fucking hell, they aren't even going.

 

Hammond today has basically begged the EU to agree to the transition period before the separation deal, which we do desperately need as business confidence is haemorrhaging. He's another Tory who has shown himself to be an idiot by not even understanding the basic protocols of the EU.

 

The answer from Barnier will be "non" of course. Because the EU insists there can be no negotiations before the basics of citizen rights, NI, and money owed is adequately dealt with. They tell us this over and over again but it seems some don't want to listen. At some point, they will lose patience and catastrophe really will beckon. 

Edited October 11, 2017 by Renton

[Christmas Tree 4685]

3 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

So far you have completely ignored all posts about why your scenario isn't even technically possible. It's almost like you don't understand how the EU and single market functions at a fundamental level.... 

 

But putting that aside, seriously, what grounds for optimism do you have that the negotiations are going well? Fucking hell, they aren't even going.

 

Hammond today has basically begged the EU to agree to the transition period before the separation deal, which we do desperately need as business confidence is haemorrhaging. He's another Tory who has shown himself to be an idiot by not even understanding the basic protocols of the EU.

 

The answer from Barnier will be "non" of course. Because the EU insists there can be no negotiations before the basics of citizen rights, NI, and money owed is adequately dealt with. They tell us this over and over again but it seems some don't want to listen. At some point, they will lose patience and catastrophe really will beckon. 

 

It was a simple question which you didn’t answer?

[The Fish 10701]

Why won't you answer his SIMPLE QUESTION?