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Governments always promise to build more houses. Nowt to do with Corbyn. The problem is not the will, but getting planning permission. That's where they all usually come unstuck.

 

Do you think the Tories live in a bubble, entirely uninterrupted by the events of the outside world? They will have seen Labour's populist policy pledges, and have incorporated some of it into their own. The abandonment of austerity is case in point. If Labour were still in agreement with them on austerity, would we be seeing the same changes? They've framed it as a response to Brexit, so it's possible, but that smacks of a convenient excuse given that Gideon was going to ramp up the cuts in his post-Brexit plan.

 

I think Corbyn is having an effect personally. I think they'll be sensitive to the fact that he could connect with the voters that the establishment left behind, who ultimately voted us out of Europe. I know plenty of people on here feel Corbyn can't make this connection, but the Tories won't just be sitting there assuming that they don't have to do anything in response to him, and that they can carry on regardless. He is pulling them leftwards - in the same way that they pulled Labour rightwards.

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Governments always promise to build more houses. Nowt to do with Corbyn. The problem is not the will, but getting planning permission. That's where they all usually come unstuck.

 

it could be sidestepped by building on the green belt, which 'not in my backyard' tory voters disapprove of. bit of a conundrum for them there.

 

in his speech to the tory faithful, hammond meanwhile warns of financial market turbulence and “fiscal uncertainty” ahead as markets digest news brexit could actually mean brexit. good that he's being frank, making mockery of the brexiteers who shouted "project fear'. it's also reassuring to hear him say he is willing to borrow more to boost economy, finally. a penny for george osborne's thoughts, his failed economic policy of 6 years having been completely re-written overnight, the despicable cunt. 

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Do you think the Tories live in a bubble, entirely uninterrupted by the events of the outside world? They will have seen Labour's populist policy pledges, and have incorporated some of it into their own. The abandonment of austerity is case in point. If Labour were still in agreement with them on austerity, would we be seeing the same changes? They've framed it as a response to Brexit, so it's possible, but that smacks of a convenient excuse given that Gideon was going to ramp up the cuts in his post-Brexit plan.

 

I think Corbyn is having an effect personally. I think they'll be sensitive to the fact that he could connect with the voters that the establishment left behind, who ultimately voted us out of Europe. I know plenty of people on here feel Corbyn can't make this connection, but the Tories won't just be sitting there assuming that they don't have to do anything in response to him, and that they can carry on regardless. He is pulling them leftwards - in the same way that they pulled Labour rightwards.

Jesus Christ, if Corbyn is pulling the Tories leftwards I'd hate to think what they'd be like left to their own devices. In reality building more affordable housing is populist at the moment with or without Corbyn and it's all just words anyway.

 

Reading the news there I was struck by thinking what is the difference between a tory pragmatist and a labour pragmatist? I'm sure there's a joke that somewhere other than "not a lot".

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Do you think the Tories live in a bubble, entirely uninterrupted by the events of the outside world? They will have seen Labour's populist policy pledges, and have incorporated some of it into their own. The abandonment of austerity is case in point. If Labour were still in agreement with them on austerity, would we be seeing the same changes? They've framed it as a response to Brexit, so it's possible, but that smacks of a convenient excuse given that Gideon was going to ramp up the cuts in his post-Brexit plan.

 

I think Corbyn is having an effect personally. I think they'll be sensitive to the fact that he could connect with the voters that the establishment left behind, who ultimately voted us out of Europe. I know plenty of people on here feel Corbyn can't make this connection, but the Tories won't just be sitting there assuming that they don't have to do anything in response to him, and that they can carry on regardless. He is pulling them leftwards - in the same way that they pulled Labour rightwards.

See 2015 manifesto (pre Corbyn) for housing.

 

As for pulling the Tories left, he's simply just vacated the centre ground so there is more room for the Tories to play.

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Jesus Christ, if Corbyn is pulling the Tories leftwards I'd hate to think what they'd be like left to their own devices. In reality building more affordable housing is populist at the moment with or without Corbyn and it's all just words anyway.

 

Reading the news there I was struck by thinking what is the difference between a tory pragmatist and a labour pragmatist? I'm sure there's a joke that somewhere other than "not a lot".

 

I think he is. I think they moved right while Miliband was in charge as Labour kept rushing centrewards to meet them. For the sake of distinction, if one moves towards the other, the other has to move away. But Corbyn pulling Labour way off that stance has forced the Tories to gravitate back into the middle, IMO. I genuinely don't think they'll be treating Corbyn as blithely as the papers are making out. Not after Brexit.

 

I hope they are of course! That'd be truly very interesting. But I doubt it.

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it could be sidestepped by building on the green belt, which 'not in my backyard' tory voters disapprove of. bit of a conundrum for them there.

 

in his speech to the tory faithful, hammond meanwhile warns of financial market turbulence and “fiscal uncertainty” ahead as markets digest news brexit could actually mean brexit. good that he's being frank, making mockery of the brexiteers who shouted "project fear'. it's also reassuring to hear him say he is willing to borrow more to boost economy, finally. a penny for george osborne's thoughts, his failed economic policy of 6 years having been completely re-written overnight, the despicable cunt.

The Tories will have had a WHOLE FUCKING DECADE to get us onto surplus following their 2010 electoral pledges and have now admitted they've failed in their primary mandate. Ffs, if only we had an opposition right now.

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See 2015 manifesto (pre Corbyn) for housing.

 

As for pulling the Tories left, he's simply just vacated the centre ground so there is more room for the Tories to play.

 

I mean, that's effectively the same thing I said. Unless you're stating that them 'playing' in the centre means that they haven't moved back to the left from a position to the right of there.

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The Tories will have had a WHOLE FUCKING DECADE to get us onto surplus following their 2010 electoral pledges and have now admitted they've failed in their primary mandate. Ffs, if only we had an opposition right now.

 

Unfortunately the old 'effective' opposition supported their policies. Even though they were bollocks - so we'd have a hard time making any political point scoring stick if NL were still in charge wouldn't we? Couldn't the Tories just turn around and say 'Yeah well you had the same sorts of plans?'

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The Tories will have had a WHOLE FUCKING DECADE to get us onto surplus following their 2010 electoral pledges and have now admitted they've failed in their primary mandate. Ffs, if only we had an opposition right now.

 

fear not, corbyn will already be plotting his response. as we speak i imagine he's carefully considering which of the many letters he's received to quote next time he's at the dispatch box  :jesuswept:

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I mean, that's effectively the same thing I said. Unless you're stating that them 'playing' in the centre means that they haven't moved back to the left from a position to the right of there.

I told you this wall coming on the day of the reshuffle in July. I said that Brexit had given her an opportunity to move back into the centre and that we'd see new fiscal policies and an exciting Autumn statement.

 

This is all a new playing field created by Brexit and nothing whatsoever to do with some reaction to Corbyn.

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so how come you're excited by that shift to the centre when you backed osborne's austerity to the hilt? is it somehow titillating to see your poltical party flip flop as you do? 

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fear not, corbyn will already be plotting his response. as we speak i imagine he's carefully considering which of the many letters he's received to quote next time he's at the dispatch box  :jesuswept:

 

He's on it

 

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Senior Tory Robert Halfon:

 

When Jeremy Corbyn got re-elected there were too manyConservatives celebrating on Twitter and implying that it’s a walk in the park, that we can all go to the Bahamas for the next five years, that the 2020 election is already won.

Now, the reason why that is wrong is actually we’re not looking at the much deeper meanings of how he won ... Not every one of the 600,000 members who have joined the Labour party is a hard-left Trotskyite ... There are also many hundreds of thousands of people, I suspect, who have joined the Labour party, who support the Labour party, because they believe they have a noble mission which is helping working people and helping people on lower incomes.

When we think “oh whoop dee doo, Jeremy Corbyn’s got re-elected” we should actually be thinking why are so many young people joining the Labour party? Why do they still have a powerful message on the doorstep despite the fact that many Conservatives believe they get it wrong? So the first task of the Conservative party is we have to be a party with an ethical, moral mission too.

We must not be complacent about the Labour party for one minute.

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And while we're at it, McDonnell saying what you guys want an 'effective' opposition to say:

 

This morning, Philip Hammond may have performed a U-turn on investment spending, admitting that the failed ‘long-term economic plan’ never really existed, and he still intends to go ahead with cuts to in-work benefits and local authority funding.

Labour is now the only national party with a fiscal framework that supports patient, long-term investment in our economy, and it’s clear that Phillip Hammond is now borrowing from Labour to invest in his own speech. As well as abandoning their own fiscal charter, this was full of the same empty promises George Osborne made, only with worse gags.

The chancellor should apologise today for the failed Tory approach that has meant he has had to abandon the failed economic agenda of the last six years, an approach which has seen them dragging their heels on tax avoidance, an increase in child poverty and housebuilding falling to its lowest peacetime rate since the 1920s. The dangerous divide in society the chancellor mentioned has come about as a direct result of the policies he has voted for since 2010.

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so how come you're excited by that shift to the centre when you backed osborne's austerity to the hilt? is it somehow titillating to see your poltical party flip flop as you do?

Austerity is still there. The deficit is still been reduced. All they've done (being new sheriffs in town), is abandoned his surplus deadline.

 

They've bought themselves some wiggle room for any rainy days ahead.

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Austerity is still there. The deficit is still been reduced. All they've done (being new sheriffs in town), is abandoned his surplus deadline.

 

They've bought themselves some wiggle room for any rainy days ahead.

 

has there ever been a more Christmas Tree-y post as this? deficit is still been reduced :CT: 

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Will people please fuck off with entertaining the Boldon Dome.

:lol:

 

Listen penis lite, you popping in here and telling people what to do is a bit like me coming to your gym and telling them all how to exercise.

 

If you are interested in politics, put up or shut up ;)

 

I'm sure the regulars in here enjoy having a resident Tory to cast their loathing onto.

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Unfortunately the old 'effective' opposition supported their policies. Even though they were bollocks - so we'd have a hard time making any political point scoring stick if NL were still in charge wouldn't we? Couldn't the Tories just turn around and say 'Yeah well you had the same sorts of plans?'

Abstaining from the austerity vote was a huge tactical blunder, but Miliband and Balls economic plans were clearly not the same as Osbourne's. A decent opposition could make major political capital from Hammond's admission here. This opposition won't though.

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The national debt increases by about £1.4b a week and hit an all time high of £96b in April of this year (i.e. for the previous financial year). This represents a 'decrease'?

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:lol:

 

Listen penis lite, you popping in here and telling people what to do is a bit like me coming to your gym and telling them all how to exercise.

 

If you are interested in politics, put up or shut up ;)

 

I'm sure the regulars in here enjoy having a resident Tory to cast their loathing onto.

Give over, man. You're ridiculed for being an idiot, not loathed for being a Tory.

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Listen penis lite, you popping in here and telling people what to do is a bit like me coming to your gym and telling them all how to exercise.

 

If you are interested in politics, put up or shut up ;)

 

I'm sure the regulars in here enjoy having a resident Tory to cast their loathing onto.

It's not, it's like me coming to your gym and asking people to stop laughing at you for having an anal prolapse on the leg press.
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