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[RedfernMag 0]

You did when your first thoughts on the Paris atrocities, while it was happening, was to blame Cameron.

Out of curiosity, how does that make him an apologist for islamist terrorism? he would of had to of blamed the people who were killed to be an apologist I would of thought?

 

Personally I think the situation is a little more complex than just western intervention being responsible, the roots of ISIS can be found as far back as the Iraqi/Saddam Fedayeen, who were throwing homosexuals off buildings and chopping womens heads off back in the early 90's.

 

What i've found interesting is those that appear to see themselves to the left on here, who have stated that the deaths of working class Syrians are morally justified.

 

I suppose in a country that considers an old-school Social Democrat like Corbyn to be hard left, I shouldn't be surprised by such things

Edited November 27, 2015 by RedfernMag

[Kid Dynamite 7012]

The answer to your first question is, it doesn't. Not once did I absolve the terrorists of blame, I said that instead of blaming Islam/Muslims as a whole (as many have now done) I blamed the fuckwits in charge who insisted on invading/bombing the Middle East (which they are now doing more of)

 

He already knows that though

Edited November 27, 2015 by StraightEdgeWizard

[Renton 21442]

The answer to your first question is, it doesn't. Not once did I absolve the terrorists of blame, I said that instead of blaming Islam/Muslims as a whole (as many have now done) I blamed the fuckwits in charge who insisted on invading/bombing the Middle East (which they are now doing more of)

 

He already knows that though

And show me where I have said I hate Muslims? There's a massive difference between that and having major concerns over the religion. But it's easy to say that and play the racist card isn't it? Not aware a single person has supported the deaths of Syrian civilians either Redfern Mag, unless you are alluding to the differences in direct terrorism and collateral damage.

 

Ftr, I'm against the proposed actions in Syria. But as usual, Corbyn has ha handled if in a cack handed manner.

[Dr Gloom 21868]

The answer to your first question is, it doesn't. Not once did I absolve the terrorists of blame, I said that instead of blaming Islam/Muslims as a whole (as many have now done) I blamed the fuckwits in charge who insisted on invading/bombing the Middle East (which they are now doing more of)

 

He already knows that though

I don't think anyone in this entire thread has blamed all Muslims for the terrorist attacks in Paris. Perhaps you can point to a quote that suggests otherwise.

 

I have repeatedly said that the blame lies squarely with radicalisation. The terrorists were mainly inspired by a fucked up take on a particularly fucked up religion. That's the root cause behind people blowing themselves up to murder civilians. And while western actions in the Middle East may have swelled their number, it isn't the main thing behind the Paris massacre. It's the ideology, which is a religious form of fascism.

[Dr Gloom 21868]

I'm against the UK getting involved in the air strikes too, I should add

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3860]

And show me where I have said I hate Muslims? There's a massive difference between that and having major concerns over the religion. But it's easy to say that and play the racist card isn't it? Not aware a single person has supported the deaths of Syrian civilians either Redfern Mag, unless you are alluding to the differences in direct terrorism and collateral damage.

 

Ftr, I'm against the proposed actions in Syria. But as usual, Corbyn has ha handled if in a cack handed manner.

 

 

StraightEdgeWizard, on 14 Nov 2015 - 1:18 PM, said:

And your starting an argument over a Facebook post you haven't even seen.

 

''Some definitions of racism also include discriminatory behaviors and beliefs based on cultural, national, ethnic, caste, or religious stereotypes.''

 

He's definitely a racist. I know you lost your last row with Gemmil but I'm not going to get into another one on here with you

So by disliking a particular religion or religions, you're racist? Count me as a racist then.

[Renton 21442]

 

StraightEdgeWizard, on 14 Nov 2015 - 1:18 PM, said:

So by disliking a particular religion or religions, you're racist? Count me as a racist then.

Thanks for proving my point.

[Renton 21442]

Actually, since KCG has bought it up again, is it worth having a debate on this? Who on here thinks that disliking a religion (in this case a very regressive one) makes you a racist? J69 and KCG seem to think it does, any other takers?

[Dr Gloom 21868]

All religious people are idiots, regardless of race.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3860]

Actually, since KCG has bought it up again, is it worth having a debate on this? Who on here thinks that disliking a religion (in this case a very regressive one) makes you a racist? J69 and KCG seem to think it does, any other takers?

 

 

I don't think it makes you racist, I think it makes you a wanker.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3860]

All religious people are idiots, regardless of race.

 

 

It does not seem atheism confirms any sign of intelligence however.

[Dr Gloom 21868]

 

 

It does not seem atheism confirms any sign of intelligence however.

How old are you?

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3860]

How old are you?

 

 

Good comeback, wiity quick, incisive, have you ever thought of doing stand up?

[Renton 21442]

 

 

I don't think it makes you racist, I think it makes you a wanker.

Guilty as charged as it happens, not sur what it's got to with my views on religion though.

[Dr Gloom 21868]

 

 

Good comeback, wiity quick, incisive, have you ever thought of doing stand up?

Maybe you can help me out, cockknocker.

 

Someone said you're a mature student. I'm calling bullshit on that.

[Renton 21442]

 

 

Good comeback, wiity quick, incisive, have you ever thought of doing stand up?

Have you? :lol:

[Gemmill 44559]

This place is going through a terrible phase at the minute. And I'm the only person capable of saving it.

[Meenzer 15466]

Google always springs a surprise or two.

 

[Dr Gloom 21868]

This place is going through a terrible phase at the minute. And I'm the only person capable of saving it.

The Chinese mouse cock knocker

[Gemmill 44559]

Like I said, a terrible phase.

[NJS 4375]

 

 

It does not seem atheism confirms any sign of intelligence however.

The correlation worldwide between education and religiosity would suggest otherwise.

 

The US is a bit of an exception overall admittedly but within the country the correlation applies.

[Gemmill 44559]

By the way, Osborne's 3% stamp duty premium, which on paper is a good idea to dissuade landlords from buying up all shared property and allow FTBs instead to buy homes....

 

Well a Treasury spokesperson has admitted that limited companies with portfolios of 15 properties or more are exempt from the increased stamp duty. So the wealthier you are as a property developer, the better positioned you are to keep buying up property. You could not make this lot up.

[The Fish 10817]

I miss the adventure that followed someone finding a suggestive missive in amongst the pages of a tabloid.

[Howmanheyman 32890]

Google always springs a surprise or two.

 

[Howmanheyman 32890]

By the way, Osborne's 3% stamp duty premium, which on paper is a good idea to dissuade landlords from buying up all shared property and allow FTBs instead to buy homes....

 

Well a Treasury spokesperson has admitted that limited companies with portfolios of 15 properties or more are exempt from the increased stamp duty. So the wealthier you are as a property developer, the better positioned you are to keep buying up property. You could not make this lot up.

Expect that news to be all over nowhere.