Alex 35083 Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 You asked me a question, I answered, you asked another one. Classic Alex The second question I asked was a request to give details re: the answer you gave initially which was a bold statement with no specifics. I asked for some details and you gave none. If you're going to make a claim it's perfectly reasonable to be asked to back it up. Anyone reading back can see that's the exact chain of events, Balatty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 That was your second question. Nice try though Wasn't my question at all, Radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted May 29, 2015 Author Share Posted May 29, 2015 The second question I asked was a request to give details re: the answer you gave initially which was a bold statement with no specifics. I asked for some details and you gave none. If you're going to make a claim it's perfectly reasonable to be asked to back it up. Anyone reading back can see that's the exact chain of events, Balatty. I didn't make a claim, I stated a fact Had I linked you any of the many news stories on the subject you would have just asked another question I never mind a bit of debate, but that's not what your after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted May 29, 2015 Author Share Posted May 29, 2015 Wasn't my question at all, Radar. I can't see your question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 I can't see your question? I didn't pose one in this thread. I was showing that you didn't answer Alex's question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 I didn't make a claim, I stated a fact Had I linked you any of the many news stories on the subject you would have just asked another question I never mind a bit of debate, but that's not what your after. Think people will draw their own conclusions to be honest. I very much doubt you even begin to convince yourself that's the case. My take on it was that Cameron made a few speeches a while back on this very subject once it became clear the EU commission were getting involved with this issues (Amazon, Starbucks et al and their tax avoidance techniques). He did this safe in the knowledge that, if action was taken, he could take the credit, whereas if not, he could blame the EU and use it to further his agenda re: EU reform. I don't have an issue with that as such (and I agree with him that the EU does need reforming). I just take issue with your claim he was instrumental in bringing this about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 I can't see your question? :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted May 29, 2015 Author Share Posted May 29, 2015 Think people will draw their own conclusions to be honest. I very much doubt you even begin to convince yourself that's the case. My take on it was that Cameron made a few speeches a while back on this very subject once it became clear the EU commission were getting involved with this issues (Amazon, Starbucks et al and their tax avoidance techniques). He did this safe in the knowledge that, if action was taken, he could take the credit, whereas if not, he could blame the EU and use it to further his agenda re: EU reform. I don't have an issue with that as such (and I agree with him that the EU does need reforming). I just take issue with your claim he was instrumental in bringing this about. First of all, you should stop worrying about "people". Your a grown man and it's a politics thread on a football forum. More importantly I'll save you googling and give you this from the BBC from 2013. "The taxation issue is on the agenda of the latest EU summit at the request of the UK, France and Germany. Mr Cameron wrote to EU leaders ahead of the meeting urging a US-style cross-border tax information exchange. The UK, Germany, France, Spain and Italy are currently testing such a system and want to launch it by the end of the year. Mr Cameron also wants G8 and EU meetings to include country-by-country reporting of where companies pay their tax. So not only had we requested it be put on the agenda of the summit, we also had a pilot scheme in operation. Add this to the stuff from the FT and I think it's very clear that the last government and this one are doing quite a lot on tax avoidance. Your welcome btw (I feel another question coming on) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 First of all, you should stop worrying about "people". A Tory, ladies and gentlemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 First of all, you should stop worrying about "people". Your a grown man and it's a politics thread on a football forum. More importantly I'll save you googling and give you this from the BBC from 2013. "The taxation issue is on the agenda of the latest EU summit at the request of the UK, France and Germany. Mr Cameron wrote to EU leaders ahead of the meeting urging a US-style cross-border tax information exchange. The UK, Germany, France, Spain and Italy are currently testing such a system and want to launch it by the end of the year. Mr Cameron also wants G8 and EU meetings to include country-by-country reporting of where companies pay their tax. So not only had we requested it be put on the agenda of the summit, we also had a pilot scheme in operation. Add this to the stuff from the FT and I think it's very clear that the last government and this one are doing quite a lot on tax avoidance. Your welcome btw (I feel another question coming on) Doesn't really differ too much from my take on it. I welcome it, for what it's worth. It was something taken up by the major European players ahead of the summit then. He couldn't have done it without agreement from them. If he was as crucial to it as you suggest, then those countries wouldn't have already been piloting it, would they? More a case of going with what was already agreed in those countries. Your (sic) overestimating his role imo. Did he spearhead it? No, in my view. Was he on board with a pan-European agenda? Yes. I think the US were making similar overtures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44886 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Is there anything worse than the way Cameron says "Britain". It's so pinched and crisp. I just want to rip his lower jaw off whenever he says it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted May 30, 2015 Author Share Posted May 30, 2015 Grown men in fluorescent Lycra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44886 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I wear black and red. Cos I'm sleek and sexy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17271 Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 London borough of Barnet an early leader in the tory post election race to the bottom... How far does Cameron want to shrink the state? Ask Barnet’s binmen http://gu.com/p/49d5j?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy to clipboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17271 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Charles Kennedy dead at 55 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-32970337 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate 0 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Always a shame to hear stories like this. RIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11384 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Always seemed like one of the good guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 Poor troubled fella rip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30612 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 RIP, came across as a nice guy. Any idea of cause of death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 As I've said before most liberals are decent people IMO and he was certainly one of that category. RIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmag 337 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Sad to hear this. Seemed like a decent man who was in politics for the right reasons but had his demons that it seems he couldn't overcome. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3894 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 RIP, He seemed a good guy who wanted to do things for the country but I don't think could take the stress it involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15531 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 One of the good guys. Would have been interesting to see where things went if he'd stayed in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44886 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Aye sad news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmag 337 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Just reading that his father died during the election campaign and that he was heartbroken to have lost his seat in said election. I really hope these added stresses didn't lead to him feeling like he needed a way out. He also leaves a 10 year old son Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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