Kevin Carr's Gloves 3894 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 You are a cunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted May 19, 2015 Author Share Posted May 19, 2015 They're too spineless to tell it like it is because most people are like you. Astute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Astute? Wilfully ignorant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Astute? Spoon fed. Metaphorically and literally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makom 0 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 (edited) That more OAPs are extremists and the youth are likely to vote green is hardly news. But people trying to turn that into a case of the old disenfranchising the young are way off base - for every idealistic young voter there are tons more who simply don't vote because they have no clue about politics. A lot of that is just trying to be too cool for school, but a lot is down to the fact we don't appear to teach kids this stuff in school. The lack of any discernable age difference in Tory/Labour from youth to retirement appears more significant - Ed was after all banging on about how it's the young who are being screwed by the Tory home owning voters yanking up the ladder. It would appear that was just one of his many faulty campaign strategies that was based on appealing to the core vote rather than the swingers (if you assume Tories are pro-self and Labour voters are pro-society). Edited May 19, 2015 by Mako Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9411 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Labour don't know what they are any more and that is their problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Labour don't know what they are any more and that is their problem. Good article here, worth a read. http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/05/labour-lost-the-working-class-vote-a-long-time-ago/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makom 0 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Good article here, worth a read. http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/05/labour-lost-the-working-class-vote-a-long-time-ago/ That's an odd article. It posts the working classes have been deserting Labour since before Blair, yet it doesn't say where they went. It seems to be suggesting some, esp. skilled, have gone over to the Tories, therefore its conclusion seems all wrong. It did end up with me finding this though: http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9528312/inside-the-milibunker-the-last-days-of-ed-did-ed-miliband-sacrifice-ed-balls/ It sounds like Ed's campaign was every bit the disaster I thought it was. By all accounts one of their own press officers nearly had a breakdown when he saw the infamous stone tablet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makom 0 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Boris Johnson's younger brother is the new Science and Universities minister. His career before politics? Banking and journalism. If Ed wasn't such a fuckwit, this would have been a perfect position for our very own Labour MP for Newcastle Central. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted May 19, 2015 Author Share Posted May 19, 2015 So true! http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/12/polls-shy-tories-left-conservatives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makom 0 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Portillo said this last week, and I tend to agree now - while it may be the case that in society Shy Tories don't speak up, it doesn't really explain why they lie to pollsters, when that process is anonymous, afaik. Far more likely is combination of errors in the way the pollsters weigh their data, or their actual methods (biased towards online polls apparently), and a late swing in the undecideds and maybe even Labour voters. The exit poll was spot on, even though that's also anonymous (they literally give people a ballot paper and tell them to mark it how they voted it and put in a ballot box). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 tories are shy because it's no one wants to own up to being one in public, mainly because it means openly admitting you care more about yourself than anyone else. only a weapons grade douche like CT would be proud to admit as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17262 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/business/economics-blog/2015/may/18/as-the-uk-has-discovered-there-is-no-postindustrial-promised-land?CMP=fb_gu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Portillo said this last week, and I tend to agree now - while it may be the case that in society Shy Tories don't speak up, it doesn't really explain why they lie to pollsters, when that process is anonymous, afaik. Far more likely is combination of errors in the way the pollsters weigh their data, or their actual methods (biased towards online polls apparently), and a late swing in the undecideds and maybe even Labour voters. The exit poll was spot on, even though that's also anonymous (they literally give people a ballot paper and tell them to mark it how they voted it and put in a ballot box). The pre-election polls only take into account people expressing a preference I believe. Whereas the exit polls ask people who've just voted. The fairly obvious conclusion is that floating voters / undecided tended to vote Tory this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anorthernsoul 1221 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Uh oh.............. (Takes long gasp)...... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-french-government-has-totally-ruled-out-any-eu-treaty-change-for-david-cameron-10262444.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Can't believe that's happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21626 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Had on, I thought CT said Dave would get us a good deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42449 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Best PM in his lunchtime, wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted May 20, 2015 Author Share Posted May 20, 2015 Frogs will crumble when Dave and George come knocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3894 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Boris' biscuits will crumble when Dave and George start cumming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35083 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Frogs will crumble when Dave and George come knocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ 0 Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Frogs will crumble when Dave and George come knocking. Dave is getting nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted May 20, 2015 Author Share Posted May 20, 2015 He's getting everything baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10857 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 See Cameron has now made it illegal to work illegally in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Liz Kendall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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