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[trophyshy 7424]

Who the fuck are Labour these days?

[Gemmill 50815]

1 minute ago, Monkeys Fist said:

I don’t really have the answer to that, but I know it’s not fucking Nigel Farage. 

 

The answer will never be that fucker. 

 

Well aye we both know that, but people that just see sound bites of the bloke "telling it like it is", and know that their lives have been made much harder by the Tories and Labour... Why would they not think let's give this lot a try? 

[Monkeys Fist 45713]

Just now, Gemmill said:

 

Well aye we both know that, but people that just see sound bites of the bloke "telling it like it is", and know that their lives have been made much harder by the Tories and Labour... Why would they not think let's give this lot a try? 

I gave up hope a while ago tbh. 
 

 

And the cunts are taking my rancid viewing pleasures away too! 
 

 

Im off to raise hell in the name of Tendonitis. 

[PaddockLad 19231]

1 minute ago, Monkeys Fist said:

I don’t really have the answer to that, but I know it’s not fucking Nigel Farage. 

 

The answer will never be that fucker. 

I’m with you. It’s a cock and bollocks on the ballot sheet next time for me. The thing about this Labour government is that they haven’t gone after the wealthy, it’s all ordinary punters. They’ve gone nowhere near the City of London for anything. At least Brown and Darling did go and get a pound of flesh from them. This lot though?… fuck em. 

[Dazzler 12113]

If the alternative is Ed Davey being a (seemingly) sound bloke and having a good laugh on paddleboards and waterslides or Farage and they pick Farage then they deserve the death that will 100% follow soon after IMO.

 

Almost all of the people that would vote for Reform will be the ones that will be condemned by it.

[PaddockLad 19231]

4 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

Well aye we both know that, but people that just see sound bites of the bloke "telling it like it is", and know that their lives have been made much harder by the Tories and Labour... Why would they not think let's give this lot a try? 

It’s happening all over the rest of Europe. The ironic thing is Farage is no longer racist enough for them. It’s all about Rupert Low and repatriation now you now…

[Dr Gloom 23871]

57 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

 

This is fucking grim from Bridget like, if true. I advise @Rayvin not to click.

Labour can't continue with this shit. I am finding it very hard to support them myself and I'm about as Labour as they come. This would be a red line for me. 

 

These are Osborne/Cameron style austerity policies. It’s so depressing and a massive missed opportunity to change the narrative. I quite admire what Starmer has tried to do on the global stage. Domestically, not so much. 

[Dr Gloom 23871]

19 minutes ago, trophyshy said:

Who the fuck are Labour these days?

Diet Tories, sadly 

[Gemmill 50815]

33 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

It’s happening all over the rest of Europe. The ironic thing is Farage is no longer racist enough for them. It’s all about Rupert Low and repatriation now you now…

 

Which is why it was so important for Labour not to fuck this up. They've had 9 months and decided that Austerity 2.0 is the answer. 

 

I keep hearing that taxing the rich won't bring in enough to solve the problems. OK I don't believe you, but fucking do that first anyway and THEN see where else you need to get cash from. 

 

They're talking about doing away with the tax on US tech companies to keep Trump happy ffs. Nothing you do will make him be nice to you you fucking dopes. Have you not been watching how this bloke operates? 

[Rayvin 6039]

Christ, this reads like a greatest hits of my own posts from before the election...

 

I think I have some sympathy with them in a way - we voted to be poorer, this is what being poorer looks like. There's a whole lot of Brexity chickens coming home to roost here. Someone needed to take the fantasy around Brexit and convert it into the reality, that's what Labour are doing. They can't go after the rich because it would be anti-growth, so they have to go for "efficiencies".

 

On the other hand, New Labour backing austerity was the reason Corbyn won all those years ago, and it seems that the party remains determined to follow those principles even now in order to 'prove' that they're reliable with the economy and tough on the enemy the middle classes. The thing that boggles my mind somewhat is that they are doing all of this in favour of winning over... who? This is all too tribal now for any of this policy stuff to matter, they get painted as commies either way. They'd be far better off IMO improving people's lives with policies that all of them, and we, believe in - not this soft right bullshit that does nothing effectual anyway. Not being able to back our own policies and views when we have political power really just tells the other side that they've won. That we've surrendered the argument wholesale.

 

And when the next election comes along, they'll still expect you and I to vote for them to keep the greater evil at bay, despite standing for almost nothing we believe in, putting our kids in permanent debt to develop an education, squeezing our wages, backing corporations replacing us with AI, and reneging on our climate change priorities. They do not deserve our vote, and didn't last time out either IMO. But admitting that and acting on it means losing to something worse.

[Gemmill 50815]

My new MP is a young whippersnapper who is super-engaged. I've had more letters and emails off her in 9 months than I've had off any previous MP across the whole of my life. 

 

I might email her just to get shit off my chest, and tell her how hoodwinked I feels to have voted for this lot, to find that actually everything is just gonna get shitter, but they're gonna start with the people whose lives are already desperate. 

 

If the economic situation dictates that we're fucked, then fine. But pick better targets for your policies, you dicks. I'd happily pay another 5% of tax and I WILL miss it. So make those that actually won't miss it pay more. There are LOADS of them. 

[Rayvin 6039]

I think they were spooked by the capital flight reports when they came into power.

 

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/millionaires-leave-uk/

[Gemmill 50815]

Reeves is shit scared of the markets too. Terrified of being another Truss. So we're basically just controlled by the markets now. 

[Renton 24095]

14 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Reeves is shit scared of the markets too. Terrified of being another Truss. So we're basically just controlled by the markets now. 

 

This is the reality.

 

So, there are three funding alternatives.

1) We increase taxes. But we are already taxed at record levels and the NI tax on employers probably will cause unemployment and reduced growth. Btw, don't forget re: education that Labour did put VAT on private schools which was a tax on the wealthy.

2) We increase austerity by cutting back public services. Made doubly hard now with the need to increase defence.

3) We break the fiscal rules and risk the wrath of the markets.

 

None of these sound like good options to me but I am honest enough to accept I don't know the implications of option 3 too much. Reeves has absolutely ruled it out though so I am guessing it is bad. 

 

For the record, I think the difference between this Labour government and a tory one is I don't think Labour are malevolent and doing this for ideological reasons. They're doing it because they believe it is necessary. Plenty other countries are in the same boat. Whether there is another option I don't know, but it feels like we need to change capitalism to me. 

[PaddockLad 19231]

1 minute ago, Renton said:

it feels like we need to change capitalism to me. 

This is the point. In a way the headbangers are aware of this but it’s just they think the likes of Trump are the solution because he’s telling them he will, and visibly is, changing “things”…

[wykikitoon 23271]

At least the Tories are straight up about being cunts.

[wykikitoon 23271]

I read a good couple of books on capitalism;

 

Less in More and Utopia for Realists

[spongebob toonpants 4421]

31 minutes ago, Renton said:

Whether there is another option I don't know,

Rejoin the single market. Tax wealth. Tax the profiteering power companies

Tax corporations properly

 

I was told to wait and see what Starmer was like in power once elected. I was told he might surprise me.

Well he's fucking done that all right

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 4290]

@Renton you still think the SNP are going to be wiped out at the next Scottish election?

[Renton 24095]

46 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

@Renton you still think the SNP are going to be wiped out at the next Scottish election?

 

I dunno and tbh couldn't give a fuck about the Scottish issue given the rest of the World's problems. 

Long. long time to go before elections, anything could happen.

[Gemmill 50815]

Aye at this point in the last election cycle, we were a few months into a global pandemic. We could have another of those to look forward to. 

[Alex 37144]

I honestly have no idea what they think they’re doing at this point. Like Renton I’m probably as staunch a supporter as you’ll find and like to think I’m a pragmatist. It’s one thing overhauling a system to provide the actual support to get people who want to work into jobs. As I actually think that does people good. But just cutting welfare to save money is an appalling tactic. It’s political suicide too. As well as the aforementioned taxing of those who can more than afford it there’s the lack of honesty on the need to rejoin the EU. In all but name at least. Because that’s the only real way to raise people’s standards of living. You’ve got Cummings meeting with Farage now, plotting what they’ll do in government. The government are already in a precarious position where the huge majority is because of the collapse of the Tory vote. I honestly think reform winning next time is a very real possibility. Scotland will vote SNP and Labour won’t do the necessary pact with the Lib Dems. The latter will only happen if they have to after an election. You can’t just go back on everything you are supposed to stand for and blame a changing world. It’s domestic affairs that decide elections 

[Dr Gloom 23871]

18 hours ago, Alex said:

I honestly have no idea what they think they’re doing at this point. Like Renton I’m probably as staunch a supporter as you’ll find and like to think I’m a pragmatist. It’s one thing overhauling a system to provide the actual support to get people who want to work into jobs. As I actually think that does people good. But just cutting welfare to save money is an appalling tactic. It’s political suicide too. As well as the aforementioned taxing of those who can more than afford it there’s the lack of honesty on the need to rejoin the EU. In all but name at least. Because that’s the only real way to raise people’s standards of living. You’ve got Cummings meeting with Farage now, plotting what they’ll do in government. The government are already in a precarious position where the huge majority is because of the collapse of the Tory vote. I honestly think reform winning next time is a very real possibility. Scotland will vote SNP and Labour won’t do the necessary pact with the Lib Dems. The latter will only happen if they have to after an election. You can’t just go back on everything you are supposed to stand for and blame a changing world. It’s domestic affairs that decide elections 

 

FPTP should save us from Reform. They will play a role in the next election and could be the kingmakers if Starmer and co don't get their act together sharpish. 

[Alex 37144]

14 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

FPTP should save us from Reform. They will play a role in the next election and could be the kingmakers if Starmer and co don't get their act together sharpish. 

Projections would currently make Reform the single biggest party under FPTP with enough seats to form a coalition with the Conservatives 

[Renton 24095]

13 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

FPTP should save us from Reform. They will play a role in the next election and could be the kingmakers if Starmer and co don't get their act together sharpish. 

 

Reform will save us from Reform. There were 5 MPs and even they couldn't hold it together, now there's 4. Throw in the horrendous things Farage has said re: Trump and Putin, I just cannot see him getting the required votes to form a government. If he does, then fucking hell, time to leave this country.