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[Gemmill 44750]

Absolutely hilarious btw that Clarkson, like Dyson, pumped a bunch of his considerable fortune into farmland as a tax avoidance trick. Clarkson even got a TV show out of it. 

 

And now it's backfired. Get fucked, the pair of you. Pretending to stand alongside actual farmers cos their little tax hack has failed. 

[Howmanheyman 33060]

Well I'm absolutely shocked seeing this..... 

 

 

https://bsky.app/profile/torstenbell.bsky.social/post/3lbc4op5vkc2z

 

 

[Toonpack 9367]

14 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Farage turning up at the farmer's protest today, in a flat cap and barbour, with his trousers tucked into his wellies in Central London. Literally cosplaying. 

 

He convinced these dopey cunts to vote against their own best interests for Brexit. If they're buying his snake oil a second time around just cos he's prepared to march alongside them, they can all fuck off. 

 

Shame their route didn't go through Croydon, the cunt wouldn't have gone anywhere near.

[ewerk 30521]

10 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said:

Well I'm absolutely shocked seeing this..... 

 

 

https://bsky.app/profile/torstenbell.bsky.social/post/3lbc4op5vkc2z

 

 

 

In fairness to Politics Live they had an expert on who made it very clear that this change would not affect the vast majority of farmers and made the point that this could actually be a benefit to them in lowering the value of farmland given that it can no longer be used to avoid inheritance tax. Given that the value of farmland has increased fourfold over the last twenty years he may well be right.

 

Every farmer I've seen interviewed on the subject seems to think they deserve sainthood status as without them we'd all apparently starve to death. They aren't doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, they're doing it to make money. One young farmer they had on accused the government of 'taxing our business and our livelihood'. Aye, like they do in every other sector you moron.

[Alex 35044]

Like they’ll strike. I call bullshit. It’ll just finish them off if they cut off their source of income. What else they going to do? Threaten to stop voting Labour? 

[wykikitoon 20076]

I want the cunts dragged off the roads like the way climate protestors were treated.  The same climate that the farmers are complaining about, but tax issues are more important.

[Meenzer 15497]

If farms constitute critical infrastructure, they should be nationalised.  

[ewerk 30521]

This is the sort of nonsense that annoys me. If this farmer is going to have to sell 20% of his farm for £600,000 then a bit of basic maths dictates that the farm is worth £3m and therefore unlikely to attract any inheritance tax.

 

[Alex 35044]

The coverage in general is abysmal. 

[Gemmill 44750]

Also, if you've just been given assets worth £3m, maybe your sob story isn't as sad as you think it is. 

[Howmanheyman 33060]

3 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Also, if you've just been given assets worth £3m, maybe your sob story isn't as sad as you think it is. 

 

We couldn't get any help if our savings were over £16,000 for UC purposes but I was just lucky it wasn't £3m, I'd have been fucked then, thank God. 

[wykikitoon 20076]

6 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Also, if you've just been given assets worth £3m, maybe your sob story isn't as sad as you think it is. 

 

oOOOOooooo But asset rich cash poor apparently 

[Dazzler 9671]

Won't genuine working farms that are inherited be subject to business relief anyway which would reduce (if not remove entirely) any inheritance tax?

 

BBC news were interviewing a bunch of young people destined to inherit their parents farm. Each one was a pampered posh cunt that has never, and will never work that land. They are waiting for their parents to die so they can sell the land and blow millions on toot and champagne.

[Rayvin 5217]

 

I can't help but feel that farmers sort of deserve whatever this is about after Brexit... but this one at least seems fucking angry

[Alex 35044]

The 7 year thing on inheritance tax in general is a sliding scale btw. It’s not just you suddenly go from paying the full rate to 0% at 7 years. It’s to stop people giving away stuff just before they’re going to die purely to avoid their heirs paying inheritance tax. 
Re: the rage above, it’s people who can afford it being pissed off for having to pay tax. That’s it. Cry me a fucking river 

Edited 22 hours ago by Alex

[PaddockLad 17235]

“Hello police? I’d like to report a murder. Victoria Derbyshire had just stabbed Jeremy Clarkson to death in central London” ☺️

 

 

[PaddockLad 17235]

I can’t put that on my own social media. My friends in the most intensively farmed area of Scotland where I grew up would very likely stab me to death in the village pub next time I’m up  

[Alex 35044]

3 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

“Hello police? I’d like to report a murder. Victoria Derbyshire had just stabbed Jeremy Clarkson to death in central London” ☺️

 

 

Absolutely destroyed  

[Dazzler 9671]

I think you'll find, Clarkson, me owld mucker, calling out a tory for taking part in a tax avoidance scheme, is not classic BBC.

[Alex 35044]

Thing is Derbyshire is really good. So he absolutely walked into that one re: him already claiming that was the reason he’d bought the farm. In his appalling Sunday Times column. He’ll have been trying to be funny when he wrote it, he’ll have been gloating at those much less well off and he’ll have been playing to his boring as fuck wannabe edgelord fanboys. But he’ll have been telling the truth too. Or telling it like it is, as they say. Anyway, I hope his heart attack wasn’t too trivial 

Edited 21 hours ago by Alex

[Monkeys Fist 42333]

12 minutes ago, Alex said:

Anyway, I hope his heart attack wasn’t too trivial 

[PaddockLad 17235]

51 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

I can't help but feel that farmers sort of deserve whatever this is about after Brexit... but this one at least seems fucking angry

I listened to all that and I like JOB but just telling that cunt to sell his land for solar panels so he can pay his IHT partly proves the point some farmers are legitimately making and also proves JOB doesn’t understand farmers or the countryside. I remember shepherds distraught at the thought of their flocks being slaughtered for nothing during foot and mouth. I still don’t properly understand that but the depth of feeling was profound. Yes there are ocean going fuckin wankers leading and contributing to this debate but I remember it coming down to a very stark question at the time of F & M; what is the countryside actually for, and who should control its future?.. that’s what this is essentially about. JOB can go fuck himself with that glib bullshit reply.

PS around 51% of farmers voted to leave the EU . It was stronger in some areas than others, in  Scotland  & NI a majority of farmers voted remain. The perception is very different but that’s life I suppose…

 

[Renton 21540]

Great to come on here and see some sanity. Not sure Clarkson hasn't had a stroke rather than a heart attack, that was embarassing. Attacking Derbyshire ad hom at the end was the cherry on the cake, he's absolute scum. 

Their all whinging they don't have big enough profit margins, which is actually probably true for many of them. But then a big reason for that is demonstrably Brexit, and this is going to continue making things worse. Where were these fuckers on the streets protesting when Liz Truss signed away their future with the Australia trade deal? Nowhere. 

Fuck them. Let them go on strike. We'll simply buy our products from elsewhere, or buy from "scab" farmers. They really are so far up their own arses they think the're heroes for doing their jobs. Tell you what, I wish I was in a position if I didn't like my job I could sell up and receive £3 million. That would set up any normal person for life. 

I remember once i was in Pooley Bridge in a pub and I couldn't help over hear the contempt a group of young farmers had for tourists and walkers, being seemingly oblivious the very pub would not exist without said tourists. Honestly, can't stand the cunts. 

Edited 21 hours ago by Renton

[Rayvin 5217]

6 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

I listened to all that and I like JOB but just telling that cunt to sell his land for solar panels so he can pay his IHT partly proves the point some farmers are legitimately making and also proves JOB doesn’t understand farmers or the countryside. I remember shepherds distraught at the thought of their flocks being slaughtered for nothing during foot and mouth. I still don’t properly understand that but the depth of feeling was profound. Yes there are ocean going fuckin wankers leading and contributing to this debate but I remember it coming down to a very stark question at the time of F & M; what is the countryside actually for, and who should control its future?.. that’s what this is essentially about. JOB can go fuck himself with that glib bullshit reply.

PS around 51% of farmers voted to leave the EU . It was stronger in some areas than others, in  Scotland  & NI a majority of farmers voted remain. The perception is very different but that’s life I suppose…

 

 

In fairness, I don't consider JOB to be a very honest debater most of the time in general and I do agree with your point there. It feels like the guy is basically saying that if the value of his land is over the threshold he's going to have to summon up a large amount of money from essentially nowhere against a 30k pa wage in order to keep it 'as is'. So I do sort of understand that. I would argue perhaps a better way of doing this would be to tax it at point of sale. Whenever the land is sold, it is taxed an appropriate level to compensate for having avoided inheritance tax.

 

That said, Labour seem to be arguing that this isn't going to impact the vast majority of farmers so I'm not sure if this bloke would even be affected.

[Rayvin 5217]

I would also add that whether they voted for it or not, we democratically decided to make the country poorer. That impacts all of us. This is just a way that it will now impact them. No one escapes Brexit induced poverty whether they deserve it or not.