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[Alex 35614]

5 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Looks like Labour have handled the Abbott thing terribly. They'd come to an agreement with her to restore the whip and then she would announce that she was standing down and bow out gracefully. 

 

But some dipshit yesterday told the Times she was "barred from standing" and now it's all become very acrimonious. I think the terms of the agreement were pretty much that she wouldn't stand, but when you've taken all this time to engineer an outcome, got the outcome you wanted, and then still managed to fuck it up is pretty shit. 

Yeah and the BBC were all over it like a rash. So you can see why labour were being careful but they seem to have made a right fucking mess. Especially as the outcome of the investigation was known in December. The BBC going the whole fucking parliamentary legend and trailblazer thing about her as well, man. I don’t remember that attitude when she was in the shadow cabinet. In the same news bulletin they made a huge thing out of Rayner, despite them being completely exonerated. Saying it still hasn’t gone away.
I do think Abbott has been treated quite shabbily in general here though. 

Edited May 29 by Alex

[Alex 35614]

Also, they should have and probably still should just let her stand as a Labour candidate. What difference does it make? If they stop her they’ll have to answer questions about it for days. 

[Gemmill 46088]

I don't know what their plan was if the election was in November. Presumably they always wanted to do this manoeuvre during a campaign (but handle it better) cos it would all be done and over with quickly. 

 

But if the plan was to make her wait another 5 or 6 months in limbo, that's a pretty appalling way to treat someone. 

[Gemmill 46088]

3 minutes ago, Alex said:

Also, they should have and probably still should just let her stand as a Labour candidate. What difference does it make? If they stop her they’ll have to answer questions about it for days. 

 

I don't know whether she's a bigger headache behind the scenes than any of us realise, because otherwise what you say makes perfect sense. 

[Alex 35614]

1 minute ago, Gemmill said:

I don't know what their plan was if the election was in November. Presumably they always wanted to do this manoeuvre during a campaign (but handle it better) cos it would all be done and over with quickly. 

 

But if the plan was to make her wait another 5 or 6 months in limbo, that's a pretty appalling way to treat someone. 

What Renton said was true as well. She made a clumsy point which she apologised for but it wasn’t antisemitic imo. If I understood properly she meant people from the traveller community and Jewish people weren’t always immediately identified as such, in the way a black person is identifiable by the colour of their skin. Therefore the prejudice they face isn’t the same. 

[Gemmill 46088]

 

 

New FT model to play with. 

 

 

[Gemmill 46088]

1 minute ago, Alex said:

What Renton said was true as well. She made a clumsy point which she apologised for but it wasn’t antisemitic imo. If I understood properly she meant people from the traveller community and Jewish people weren’t always immediately identified as such, in the way a black person is identifiable by the colour of their skin. Therefore the prejudice they face isn’t the same. 

 

Aye, it was during the period when they were being hypersensitive and trying to show that Starmer was zero tolerance, and they completely overreacted. 

 

Mind, you can guarantee that if he hadn't immediately acted, it would have been used as a stick to beat him with by both Tories and the press. 

 

Which kind of underlines that she should probably have put a bit more thought into what she was doing and considered possible consequences. Or she knew and she was just seeing if she could test boundaries - that's what I mean about whether she's actually more of an arse pain than we realise. 

[Alex 35614]

1 minute ago, Gemmill said:

 

Aye, it was during the period when they were being hypersensitive and trying to show that Starmer was zero tolerance, and they completely overreacted. 

 

Mind, you can guarantee that if he hadn't immediately acted, it would have been used as a stick to beat him with by both Tories and the press. 

 

Which kind of underlines that she should probably have put a bit more thought into what she was doing and considered possible consequences. Or she knew and she was just seeing if she could test boundaries - that's what I mean about whether she's actually more of an arse pain than we realise. 

Agreed. She’s been a victim of being held up to different standards her whole career. And the scandal of the antisemitism in the party, and the need to deal with it has meant this is another example. I suspect that, given the stage of her career and how she’s been treated etc, she is being cantankerous and they would quite like her to retire. If they end up with c. 450 MPs they are going to have to deal with more dissenting voices though. 
If she wants to cause a big stink and basically be a Tory enabler after the last 14 years she can do one though. 

[Renton 22008]

Well, that's the BBC talking point for the day, Nicky Campbell is on the vinegar strokes as I type. Funny how the BBC never want to talk about the literally dozens of tory MPs who have (usually reluctantly/forcibly) been thrown out for being blatantly corrupt or perverted. Not to mention is that we know the real reason Abbot has been castigated is because of the right wing tory client media who would compare her to Joseph Stalin if she was allowed to stand. Labour can't win. 

And also meanwhile no attention to the latest tory brainfart idea where they want to dictate to universities what they can and can't teach so they can "fund" apprenticeships. An idea which makes no sense under the most basic scrutiny.

 

 

 

[Gemmill 46088]

 

 

 

 

[Alex 35614]

Abbott going directly to the BBC doesn’t reflect particularly well on her tbh. 

[Gemmill 46088]

 

8% of under 50s. On a par with Reform. Gonna take something magical for this lot to have a future as a party. 

[ewerk 31225]

6 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

8% of under 50s. On a par with Reform. Gonna take something magical for this lot to have a future as a party. 

 

It's Brexit wot did it. If you take away Reform and assume that those voters would be voting for the Tories then they'd be polling in the low to mid 30's. Instead they're facing extinction.

[Renton 22008]

7 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

8% of under 50s. On a par with Reform. Gonna take something magical for this lot to have a future as a party. 

 

Sunak looks at this and thinks "Hmmm, we need to appeal more to pensioners. Let's introduce a quintruple locked pension and send all kids <18 years to Borstal". 

[ewerk 31225]

 

 

[The Fish 10972]

18 hours ago, Gemmill said:

 

Just text @The Fishand he reckons Klopp on both counts. 

 

 

 

Well I just ran a poll and 150% of people would rather snort a line of glass than spend a minute in your company. 50% of people polled said they'd do a line up each nostril.

 

So there.

[RobinRobin 11597]

https://x.com/jessphillips/status/1795744506664689920?t=HQIrW3QQV5t9mKJUytE9Hw&s=19 

[Dazzler 10380]

2 hours ago, Gemmill said:

 

 

 

 

I'd take boring and uninspiring over pathetic bullshit, shit, lie idiots any day of the week

[Renton 22008]

 

[ewerk 31225]

6 hours ago, Gemmill said:

If Labour and the Lib Dems voters even remotely get their shit together on tactical voting, it'll be a short lived break from LBC. 

 

Expect him back on air mid-July.

 

 

[wykikitoon 20798]

[Gemmill 46088]

 

 

Ed Davey still enjoying his gap year. 

 

[Gemmill 46088]

 

Obvs no one knows the full story but wouldn't be remotely surprised if this was a Tory stitch-up because they know it's getting away from them. 

 

[Gemmill 46088]

Or maybe not actually. Is this bloke a wrong'un? Seems to be some suggestions on twitter that this is long overdue and is internal Labour machinations getting rid of a problem candidate. 

 

So I might be getting my conspiracy theory on a bit prematurely.

 

[ewerk 31225]

He’s always seemed alright to me despite being that ‘type’.

 

 

 

 

Of course I mean gingers before any of you snowflakes cancel me.