Politics

[NJS 4375]

Getting people off the dole is incidental - as I said its more of a "send a message" policy to their real target.

 

I remember in about 86 they started the "job club" thing but they advertised it during the break in the itn 10 o clock news. This was a deliberate aim at the abc demographic to show they were doing all they could so it was still the unemployeds fault.

 

As I keep saying, always have been, are now and always will be cunts.

[JaMoUsE 0]

I havent seen anything mentioned about people with mental health issues. As far as i can see it targets people who have been out of work for 3years+. Frankly if you havent been working for 3 years or more your getting into 'waster' territory to be honest.

 

Why not make people of sound mind and able body, who have been claiming benefits for more than 3 years work for their money?

 

Because its not minimum wage? Nah not for me, these will be the most extreme cases where 99% of them dont actually want to work.

 

Personally i think its a good idea. People will sharp realise they could earn alot more getting minimum wage doing similar jobs and it could reduce the number of long term unemployed

Edited October 1, 2013 by JaMoUsE

[Renton 21432]

Canny surprised how few people on here are not capable of googling Osborne's speech.

 

Many long-term unemployed do not stand a chance of gainful employment in this region in the current economic mess. This could be for a host of reasons but labelling them all feckless and work shy is completely cuntish. What people need are real jobs, not unpaid community service fulfilling pointless jobs to appease smug tax payers. I can't understand the attitude taken above considering the area we live in.

[JaMoUsE 0]

You come across quite rude btw. Gainful employment, you're going to need to expand on that. i think peoples opinions have a lot to do with their social circles. I Dont actually know anyone in receipt of jsa, yet i know hundreds affected by the economic downturn and redundancies etc.they have had no issues getting work, in alot of cases its not work they wanted to do but they have mortgages and bills to pay. And no, i certainly don't hang round with high flyers etc

[Tooj 17]

Canny surprised how few people on here are not capable of googling Osborne's speech.

 

Many long-term unemployed do not stand a chance of gainful employment in this region in the current economic mess. This could be for a host of reasons but labelling them all feckless and work shy is completely cuntish. What people need are real jobs, not unpaid community service fulfilling pointless jobs to appease smug tax payers. I can't understand the attitude taken above considering the area we live in.

 

[ewerk 30393]

Canny surprised how few people on here are not capable of googling Osborne's speech.

 

Many long-term unemployed do not stand a chance of gainful employment in this region in the current economic mess. This could be for a host of reasons but labelling them all feckless and work shy is completely cuntish. What people need are real jobs, not unpaid community service fulfilling pointless jobs to appease smug tax payers. I can't understand the attitude taken above considering the area we live in.

 

Do you honestly believe that an upturn in the economy is going to solve the problems of the long term unemployed? Regardless of the job market, employers aren't going to want to employ someone who has been sat around on their arse for the last 3+ years. Not that litter picking or spending 35 hours per week in the job centre is going to solve that either.

[Meenzer 15466]

You come across quite rude btw. Gainful employment, you're going to need to expand on that. i think peoples opinions have a lot to do with their social circles. I Dont actually know anyone in receipt of jsa, yet i know hundreds affected by the economic downturn and redundancies etc.they have had no issues getting work, in alot of cases its not work they wanted to do but they have mortgages and bills to pay. And no, i certainly don't hang round with high flyers etc

 

Mortgages? Luxury!

 

(etc.)

[Meenzer 15466]

Meanwhile, this is the best line-by-line deconstruction of a piece of writing since that blog post about Avril Lavigne's "Sk8er Boi":

 

http://33revolutionsperminute.wordpress.com/2013/10/01/the-daily-mails-ralph-miliband-editorial-annotated-version/

[JaMoUsE 0]

Its difficult to have any kind of constructive discussion on here, snipe Central .

[Christmas Tree 4711]

I havent seen anything mentioned about people with mental health issues.

Must admit Ive seen no reference to that any where as well. (And I have read the speech).

 

I'm sure Renton will post the bit where he mentions enslaving the mentally in or whatever is being claimed.

Edited October 1, 2013 by Christmas Tree

[Christmas Tree 4711]

Its difficult to have any kind of constructive discussion on here, snipe Central .

It's a shame really as politics is very interesting and effects us daily regardless of who is in power.

 

But if you are so blinkered that every argument put forward degenerates to Cunts v Socialists then it's a waste of time.

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3860]

Must admit Ive seen no reference to that any where as well. (And I have read the speech).I'm sure Renton will post the bit where he mentions enslaving the mentally in or whatever is being claimed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/george-osbornes-welfare-war-work-for-your-benefits--or-attend-jobcentre-daily-8847851.html

 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/10343237/George-Osborne-says-that-welfare-claimants-will-have-to-work-for-their-dole-money.html

 

"Intensive system for people with mental health problems"

 

I think it's called the T4 programme.

[Renton 21432]

You come across quite rude btw. Gainful employment, you're going to need to expand on that. i think peoples opinions have a lot to do with their social circles. I Dont actually know anyone in receipt of jsa, yet i know hundreds affected by the economic downturn and redundancies etc.they have had no issues getting work, in alot of cases its not work they wanted to do but they have mortgages and bills to pay. And no, i certainly don't hang round with high flyers etc

I worked for 3 years in a super market with a PhD, minimum wage. I considered that as gainful employment. I know several young, highly motivated, highly qualified people desperate for even that work now, but just can't get anything. The longer you're unemployed, the harder it gets, not easier.

 

Sorry I come across as rude but your attitude and imo ignorance just pisses me off.

[JaMoUsE 0]

I find what your saying difficult to comprehend. Not knowing anyone on jsa,i find i difficult to comprehend that there really is skilled, willing workers unable to find employment.

An example is, my mother took voluntary redundancy last year. She hasn't sought enjoyment since. Last week she applied for a position stacking shelves at the local coop. Got an interview and got the job. She is 50 odd, no particular qualifications , and has been away from a working environment for 12months.

I dont intend to sound arrogant but from my experiences i genuinely haven't known anyone who really wants a job become long term unemployed.

Edited October 1, 2013 by JaMoUsE

[Renton 21432]

I find what your saying difficult to comprehend. Not knowing anyone on jsa,i find i difficult to comprehend that there really is skilled, willing workers unable to find employment.

 

An example is, my mother took voluntary redundancy last year. She hasn't sought enjoyment since. Last week she applied for a position attacking shelves at the local coop. Got an interview and got the job. She is 50 odd, no particular qualifications , and has been away from a working environment for 12months.

 

I dont intend to sound arrogant but from my experiences i genuinely haven't known anyone who really wants a job become long term unemployed.

Where do you live?

 

Here there are countless stories of hundred of applications for each retail job. Did you read Ant's post about his brother? I could go on but the stats back me, not you, up.

 

The problem in the NE is not demand for jobs, but supply. And this is for pretty poor quality jobs I'm talking about, before we even consider proper careers. I feel genuinely sorry for graduates today.

 

And tell me, where's the incentive just to survive on 60 quid a week? Why would anyone choose that?

[PaddockLad 17151]

It's a shame really as politics is very interesting and effects us daily regardless of who is in power.

 

But if you are so blinkered that every argument put forward degenerates to Cunts v Socialists then it's a waste of time.

 

 

I tried to be reasonable with you yesterday. You didnt reply. A fair point about the origins of benefit culture was obviously too close to the bone for you to acknowledge. Or you're fuckin clueless on the subject. I'll be generous and say its the former.

 

Aye, nowt wrong with this at all for "long term" unemployed.

 

Those pointing the finger should maybe consider how Labour nurtured this way of life by continually throwing more and more money to enable this way of life for a certain section of community.

 

I think we shouldn't try and muddy the waters too much at who this is targeting. I think you will also have so genuine long term unemployed who ain't skivers but will see this to get out of the daily rut it's easy to get into and get a bit of dignity back, hopefully leading to normal work.

 

The welfare culture is a result of all governments misguided policies over the last 30 years CT. I can guarantee that if you chose to look into it the first time benefits came into line with average earnings for the lower paid was under the tories in the nid nineties, and that coincided with the first "single mothers holding the country to ransome blah blah blah " headlines in the Daily Mail.

 

This is a headlne grabbing policy for the conference week thats ludicrously unworkable. Tesco's arten't going to want to employ some herbert with a 10 year heroin habit 2 months out of rehab, or his dealer. Fuckin ridiculous.

 

[ewerk 30393]

And tell me, where's the incentive just to survive on 60 quid a week? Why would anyone choose that?

 

Well £60 is the minimum isn't it? And then there's also housing benefits and associated child benefits for those who are entitled.

 

Edit: Not that I'm saying it's as comfortable as some would have you believe.

Edited October 1, 2013 by ewerk

[Renton 21432]

 

Well £60 is the minimum isn't it? And then there's also housing benefits and associated child benefits for those who are entitled.

 

Edit: Not that I'm saying it's as comfortable as some would have you believe.

Well you pointed out we're talking about JSA here, not incapacity etc. Believe me, child benefit is no where near enough to cover the care of a child to even a Victorian level. And housing benefit, council tax, etc, isn't disposable income.

 

I've come to the conclusion that the ones you see with massive TVs, foreign holidays, cars, iPhones etc must also be petty criminals. And I'm not defending them.

Edited October 1, 2013 by Renton

[Christmas Tree 4711]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/george-osbornes-welfare-war-work-for-your-benefits--or-attend-jobcentre-daily-8847851.html

 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/georgeosborne/10343237/George-Osborne-says-that-welfare-claimants-will-have-to-work-for-their-dole-money.html

 

"Intensive system for people with mental health problems"

 

I think it's called the T4 programme.

That's not in the speech at all.

 

What the speech says is this.

 

And for those with underlying problems, like drug addiction and illiteracy, there will be an intensive regime of support.

Edited October 1, 2013 by Christmas Tree

[JaMoUsE 0]

Where do you live?

 

Here there are countless stories of hundred of applications for each retail job. Did you read Ant's post about his brother? I could go on but the stats back me, not you, up.

 

The problem in the NE is not demand for jobs, but supply. And this is for pretty poor quality jobs I'm talking about, before we even consider proper careers. I feel genuinely sorry for graduates today.

 

And tell me, where's the incentive just to survive on 60 quid a week? Why would anyone choose that?

I live in Whitley Bay, always have. Where are you from like?

 

Dont feel sorry for graduates. I graduated last June, got a full time job the week later doing data processing for 15k, last September i got a job as a computer programmer(after graduating with an IT degree).

 

 

Ive just asked my mrs, we actually dont know anyone who is unemployed (and claiming benefit), Its not like we are loners or anything, we have around 1000 friends ('aquaintances') between us on facebook.

Edited October 1, 2013 by JaMoUsE

[Howmanheyman 32887]

I find what your saying difficult to comprehend. Not knowing anyone on jsa,i find i difficult to comprehend that there really is skilled, willing workers unable to find employment.

 

An example is, my mother took voluntary redundancy last year. She hasn't sought enjoyment since. Last week she applied for a position attacking shelves at the local coop. Got an interview and got the job. She is 50 odd, no particular qualifications , and has been away from a working environment for 12months.

 

I dont intend to sound arrogant but from my experiences i genuinely haven't known anyone who really wants a job become long term unemployed.

You're sounding a bit of a cunt, however, I don't know you so I'm sure if I did meet you I'd change my mind and think you're a good kid just like your opinion of the long term unemployed might change if you actually knew any. (What's the definition of 'long term' anyway out of interest?)

 

Well you pointed out we're talking about JSA here, not incapacity etc. Believe me, child benefit is no where near enough to cover the care of a child to even a Victorian level. And housing benefit, council tax, etc, isn't disposable income.

 

I've come to the conclusion that the ones you see with massive TVs, foreign holidays, cars, iPhones etc must also be petty criminals. And I'm not defending them.

I've been on a foreign holiday on the dole before, I've had a decent enough tele as well when out of work as well owning a car. I paid for them when I was working. Not a dig at you Renton, but I sometimes think that certain people have a vision of someone getting their giro then going straight down to currys to order a tele, (which must always be a plasma and never under 50" ), I love the idea of being on the rock & roll as a great lifestyle choice because it really is the absolute pits.

 

 

 

By the way, if the tories want people to work for their dole then that'll be 7 hours a week only based on the minimum wage as it should be illegal to employ anyone on less than that. Also they shouldn't be quizzed on job seeking as you can't be job seeking when you're busy working already. Also, how many people have paid into the system expecting support for unemployment should it arise? something for nothing? Fucking cheeky bastards these tory cunts as Meenzer eloquently states in this thread about Osbourne inheriting his wealth.

[Renton 21432]

I live in Whitley Bay, always have. Where are you from like?

 

Dont feel sorry for graduates. I graduated last June, got a full time job the week later doing data processing for 15k, last September i got a job as a computer programmer(after graduating with an IT degree).

 

 

Ive just asked my mrs, we actually dont know anyone who is unemployed (and claiming benefit), Its not like we are loners or anything, we have around 1000 friends ('aquaintances') between us on facebook.

You 'know' thousands of people, and none are unemployed? How is that even possible?

[JaMoUsE 0]

You're sounding a bit of a cunt, however, I don't know you so I'm sure if I did meet you I'd change my mind and think you're a good kid just like your opinion of the long term unemployed might change if you actually knew any. (What's the definition of 'long term' anyway out of interest?)

 

I have openly said I dont know any, which could be why i cant comprehend skilled people seeking any form of employment for 3+ years and being unable to find work.

 

People are quite cagey about this topic, probably because they either are or know someone who falls into this category. I would probably feel the same if i did.

 

The age old question is though, are these people willing to do any job or are some jobs beneath them, even in the short term?

 

A quick look on job centre plus tells me theres 34 food service assistant positions (ie fast food vendors) within 10 miles of me. The sad thing is most them jobs will still be there in 2 weeks time aswell, cos people arent willing to take them.

Edited October 1, 2013 by JaMoUsE

[JaMoUsE 0]

You 'know' thousands of people, and none are unemployed? How is that even possible?

I am literally looking now to find someone who isnt employed, theres a few on maternity mind

Edited October 1, 2013 by JaMoUsE

[JaMoUsE 0]

The bottom line is, for me there will always be someone unemployed, inteligent and punctual and struggling to find work, but in the long run they will get something.

 

Then you have the others, with little or no desire to actually work, they would happily not work for their entire life, this change in policy to JSA is aimed at those people and yes it might after a few who happen to be unlucky enough to have been seeking work for over 3 years (still find it difficult to comprehend) but these people are surely the ones who can then go to an employer and say 'Yeah I have been out of work for three years but I have been working doing x or y, showing my willingness and desire to get back into the working lifestyle.

 

I cant be the only one who's glass isnt half empty right? Surely at somepoint who have to make your own luck and drive your own success. We cant blame every government for lack of jobs and career paths.

 

Im not even a tory ffs (only ever voted red) I just think its a reasonable policy

Edited October 1, 2013 by JaMoUsE