Meenzer 15466 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 The Eurovision voting relationship between Iceland and the UK was never the same again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42189 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Fishermen are kernts- I get all my fish from the chippy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42189 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15466 Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Gideon Osborne, inheritor of his family's fortune, telling people they can't expect something for nothing. Terrific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32887 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I don't see what the problem is in principle with having people who have been claiming the dole for over two years engage in community service or extra training. I think the option of having to visit the job centre daily is ridiculous, as is the idea that this plan should continue ad infinitum for those unable to get work. Nine months I read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 32887 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Gideon Osborne, inheritor of his family's fortune, telling poor people they can't expect something for nothing, that's just reserved for the Eton Boot Boys. Terrific. FYP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30393 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Nine months I read. It's actually three years as I understand it. After one year of unemployment you're put on the Work Programme and after a further two years you're on the 'Help to Work' scheme. I'm not sure how this is going to work for people in rural areas, are they going to get travel expenses paid for traveling to the job centre every day for the pointless exercise ever devised by the government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30393 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Also, the Daily Mail once again acting as a bastion of fair and even handed journalism: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15466 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 At least they're consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17151 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Also, the Daily Mail once again acting as a bastion of fair and even handed journalism: Yeah his dad hated this country...from the article: Ralph Miliband then served three years in the Royal Navy, returning when the war was over to his studies at the LSE, and within a few years was teaching there himself. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2435751/GEOFFREY-LEVY-SATURDAY-ESSAY-Red-Eds-pledge-bring-socialism-homage-Marxist-father.html#ixzz2gSEA6MOX Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11329 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Stephen Fry did a good blog on the Mail a few weeks back... http://stephen-fry-me.tumblr.com/post/57805910021/the-daily-mail-and-lord-dacre-appeasing-again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21435 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Nice to see the politics of hate espoused by the likes of CT alive and well at the Tory conference. So the long term unemployed are now literally being criminalized by forcing them into community service. How can anyone not see what this is is beyond me. The problem we have is lack of jobs, particularly in the North. Unemployment is horrible, can affect anyone, and is ever prevalent in younger groups, the vast majority of whom I'm sure want to work rather than exist in perpetual penury and boredom. The government should be trying to create real jobs rather than punish the casualties of their corrupt policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15466 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 http://adragonsbestfriend.wordpress.com/2013/09/30/the-poisonous-politics-of-reducing-unemployment/ Some interesting stuff in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) What a prick. @@Renton Edited October 1, 2013 by Christmas Tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42189 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 What a prick.@@RentonGreat answer to the points he raises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15466 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 More half-baked than twice-baked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4711 Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 Great answer to the points he raises. He doesn't ask me a question, he just slags me off so he's a prick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21435 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 He doesn't ask me a question, he just slags me off so he's a prick. So you disagree with the policies? No, didn't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30393 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Nice to see the politics of hate espoused by the likes of CT alive and well at the Tory conference. So the long term unemployed are now literally being criminalized by forcing them into community service. How can anyone not see what this is is beyond me. The problem we have is lack of jobs, particularly in the North. Unemployment is horrible, can affect anyone, and is ever prevalent in younger groups, the vast majority of whom I'm sure want to work rather than exist in perpetual penury and boredom. The government should be trying to create real jobs rather than punish the casualties of their corrupt policies. I'm no Tory fan boy but what exactly is the problem with those who are unemployed for over three years being forced to either do something to help themselves or giving back to the community? The idea that this is criminalising the unemployed is ridiculous, they're not going to be forced into orange jump suits and chained together. They're not being forced to work full time as slave labour, they're simply being asked to do something, what's the problem with that? And for the record, the option to sign on every day is fucking ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21435 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 (edited) I'm no Tory fan boy but what exactly is the problem with those who are unemployed for over three years being forced to either do something to help themselves or giving back to the community? The idea that this is criminalising the unemployed is ridiculous, they're not going to be forced into orange jump suits and chained together. They're not being forced to work full time as slave labour, they're simply being asked to do something, what's the problem with that? And for the record, the option to sign on every day is fucking ridiculous. They're not getting paid to do it, they'll be told to do it or starve. It's exactly the type of work that you get on community service. If it's not slave labour, why not pay minimum wage for it? I also note that the 'mentally ill' are listed as a target group. Having a mentally ill family member who is very vulnerable, I can't begin to tell you how disgusting this rhetoric is. Edited October 1, 2013 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30393 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 They're not getting paid to do it, they'll be told to do it or starve. It's exactly the type of work that you get on community service. If it's not slave labour, why not pay minimum wage for it? I also note that the 'mentally ill' are listed as a target group. Having a mentally ill family member who is very vulnerable, I can't begin to tell you how disgusting this rhetoric is. I haven't seen anything about the mentally ill, as far as I've read it's aimed purely at those on JSA. And the point is that they'll be undertaking these activities in return for their dole money, I'd imagine it'll work out at well above minimum wage, we're not talking about them being forced to do full time hours, it'll be ten hours a week max. imo. They haven't announced any details of the policy but I'm a supporter of the majority of it in principle, that's not to say that the implementation of it won't be fucked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21435 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Where are you getting your facts from? It's 30 hours community service, and people with mental health issues were specifically mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21435 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 JSA is a massive £56.80 per week for under 25s btw. What proportion of welfare spend is that? Answer: 3% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADP 0 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Where are you getting your facts from? It's 30 hours community service, and people with mental health issues were specifically mentioned. Jesus, that's absolutely terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30393 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Where are you getting your facts from? It's 30 hours community service, and people with mental health issues were specifically mentioned. I hadn't realised that they had released details of what the programme involved. Getting the mentally ill into a ‘mandatory intensive regime’ shows an ignorance of mental illness. Also, 30 hours of community service or 35 hours in the job centre is a joke. As I said above, I supported the idea in principle but was wary of how it would play out in reality and looks like I was right to be. It sounds to me like this is a ham fisted £300m attempt to force those doing the double off benefits and what the Tories view as a kick up the arse for the lazy wastrels happy to sit around claiming the dole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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