Politics

[Dazzler 9748]

3 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

"Not knowing what a woman is" is a major policy now is it? 

 

Na, not really. But they are so fucked now they are throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks (they eat what falls)

[Alex 35079]

I do find it a bit fucking weird like. I.e.  for someone to be of the left-leaning persuasion and to turn what Sunak said yesterday in Parliament into something to use against Starmer.  Even if you hate the bloke 

Edited February 8 by Alex

[Alex 35079]

11 minutes ago, Dazzler said:

 

Completely agree with this. His approach is dull, and he's been pretty non-committal on most issues so far, but all he has to do is be professional and show an ounce of competence (which I think is exactly what he's done/is doing) and he walks the election without breaking a sweat. As others have mentioned, at his core I think Starmer is a decent bloke, but even if he isn't that decent so long as he's a competent one he'll be a fucking vast improvement on what we have at the minute.

It’s not a stance I really agree with but I think it basically boils down to this - Labour are so far ahead in the polls that they could be much braver. But when you are so far ahead in the polls what do you have to gain by being brave? 
I’m also willing to judge Starmer on what he actually does. 
 

[Monkeys Fist 42428]

1 hour ago, Rayvin said:

I continue to despair at Starmer. He is consistently inconsistent and IMO a complete waste of an opportunity. A boiled turnip could beat the Tories this time out and would probably be more effective.

Whilst he’s not charismatic in way Johnson, or Hitler, were charismatic, that’s fine by me. 
Most of actual, competent governance is dull as cloudy piss, so I’m fine with him being Burton For Men at the helm, we’ve got Rayner in the Mad Dog role to keep the morons entertained. 
 

Switching the country to a socialism based one , with nationalised utilities and services, properly funded , and proportional representation ( all of which is what most of us are after) can’t be done in his first term - it’ll need a softly-softly approach since decades of Tory rule has turned many in the electorate in to selfish cunts. 
He’s got a job on his hands tbh, to keep Labour in power long term, beyond his tenure and whoever comes next, but he’ll be well aware of that. 
 

Of course, I’m hugely pessimistic about that actually happening because selfish cunts will be selfish cunts and vote the Tory/Nazi party back in within 5 years. 

[Alex 35079]

2 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

Whilst he’s not charismatic in way Johnson, or Hitler, were charismatic, that’s fine by me. 
Most of actual, competent governance is dull as cloudy piss, so I’m fine with him being Burton For Men at the helm, we’ve got Rayner in the Mad Dog role to keep the morons entertained. 
 

Switching the country to a socialism based one , with nationalised utilities and services, properly funded , and proportional representation ( all of which is what most of us are after) can’t be done in his first term - it’ll need a softly-softly approach since decades of Tory rule has turned many in the electorate in to selfish cunts. 
He’s got a job on his hands tbh, to keep Labour in power long term, beyond his tenure and whoever comes next, but he’ll be well aware of that. 
 

Of course, I’m hugely pessimistic about that actually happening because selfish cunts will be selfish cunts and vote the Tory/Nazi party back in within 5 years. 

I don’t see them getting back in next time round. But other than that, spot on 

[Dazzler 9748]

3 minutes ago, Alex said:

I do find it a bit fucking weird like. I.e.  for someone to be of the left-leaning persuasion and to turn what Sunak said yesterday in Parliament into something to use against Starmer.  Even if you hate the bloke 

 

Radio 2 has had a few people on today who seemed to fit this description. Plenty on there that are framing it as it's a joke that Starmer doesn't know what defines a woman - not a remark on gender identity itself (therefore it's ok). None of these people can comprehend that making even a flippant remark like that in front of a mother who's just lost her trans daughter in the most horrific way imaginable is at the very least insanely insensitive and is still something he should hold his hands up and apologise for. They also think Starmer was wrong for pointing out how insensitive a comment it was.

 

Whether you deem it transphobic or not is somewhat irrelevant IMO. It was a fucking horrible 'joke' to make in the circumstances and Starmer was morally in the right to highlight it.

 

Some fucking right whoppers saying Starmer should apologise and not Sunak which is a fucking horrendous take.

[Monkeys Fist 42428]

Just now, Alex said:

I don’t see them getting back in next time round. But other than that, spot on 

Aye, maybe I’m being a touch over pessimistic there, but you know what I mean. 
They need PR in as soon as possible, to finish the Tories off as a ruling party for good. 
I’d fine with a Labour/ LibDem coalition if that’s what it took to get the country functioning for its citizens instead of the elite. 

[Dazzler 9748]

5 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

Whilst he’s not charismatic in way Johnson, or Hitler, were charismatic, that’s fine by me. 
Most of actual, competent governance is dull as cloudy piss, so I’m fine with him being Burton For Men at the helm, we’ve got Rayner in the Mad Dog role to keep the morons entertained. 
 

Switching the country to a socialism based one , with nationalised utilities and services, properly funded , and proportional representation ( all of which is what most of us are after) can’t be done in his first term - it’ll need a softly-softly approach since decades of Tory rule has turned many in the electorate in to selfish cunts. 
He’s got a job on his hands tbh, to keep Labour in power long term, beyond his tenure and whoever comes next, but he’ll be well aware of that. 
 

Of course, I’m hugely pessimistic about that actually happening because selfish cunts will be selfish cunts and vote the Tory/Nazi party back in within 5 years. 

Aye, when suddenly they cotton on they are £150 a year worse off in NI most likely - This will be despite the NHS running as efficiently as it has in decades and other such benefits that outweigh it. TBH I'd fucking pay the extra NI just to get both my fucking bins emptied every week like it used to be before these twats took power.

[Dr Gloom 21915]

1 hour ago, Rayvin said:

I continue to despair at Starmer. He is consistently inconsistent and IMO a complete waste of an opportunity. A boiled turnip could beat the Tories this time out and would probably be more effective.

 

it is frustrating. i wish he'd be bolder on brexit, among other things, but why risk alienating voters? why make yourself a target when the tories are doing such a good job at finishing themselves off?

 

it looks like starmer doesn't stand for anything but he can do stuff by stealth once he gets in. it doesn't mater that he won't have a mandate for anything.

 

remember blair and brown made the bank of england independent straight after they won in 97 - there was no mention of that in their manifesto 

Edited February 8 by Dr Gloom

[Dazzler 9748]

9 minutes ago, Alex said:

It’s not a stance I really agree with but I think it basically boils down to this - Labour are so far ahead in the polls that they could be much braver. But when you are so far ahead in the polls what do you have to gain by being brave? 
I’m also willing to judge Starmer on what he actually does. 
 

They could but as you say, the risk outweighs the reward IMO. They may as well stay just left of centre for now and win by a landslide and then we can see where they go from there.

[Dr Gloom 21915]

27 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

"Not knowing what a woman is" is a major policy now is it? 

 

 

it's all they've got left: culture wars and [not] stopping the boats 

[Monkeys Fist 42428]

The thing he’s got to make the norm is honesty - being able to say for example

” Yes, you’ll pay slightly more NI, but you’ll see the benefit of it in improved services , like getting your dentist appointment in the same year or having your fucking bin emptied once a week”, and not being torn to shreds for it. 
The three word catchphrases Tories fucking love can get in the same bin as well- treat people with a little respect and it’ll come back to you. 

[Dazzler 9748]

1 minute ago, Monkeys Fist said:

The thing he’s got to make the norm is honesty - being able to say for example

” Yes, you’ll pay slightly more NI, but you’ll see the benefit of it in improved services , like getting your dentist appointment in the same year or having your fucking bin emptied once a week”, and not being torn to shreds for it. 
The three word catchphrases Tories fucking love can get in the same bin as well- treat people with a little respect and it’ll come back to you. 

He should save that open approach until he's in power tbf. Plenty of fucking idiots will swing to the tories upon hearing that, despite the caveats being extremely positive. He at least needs to do a positive sandwich.

 

"We'll pick your bins up once a week. Yes that's right both of them."

"You'll need to pay more NI."

"You'll be able to see a doctor before your chest infection kills you."

[Alex 35079]

Just now, Monkeys Fist said:

Aye, maybe I’m being a touch over pessimistic there, but you know what I mean. 
They need PR in as soon as possible, to finish the Tories off as a ruling party for good. 
I’d fine with a Labour/ LibDem coalition if that’s what it took to get the country functioning for its citizens instead of the elite. 

It’s not going to happen but the perfect scenario would be a Lib/Lab electoral pact this time round with PR on the agenda asap. Whilst the Tories are going to a walloping anyway, promoting tactical voting would see them with virtually no seats at all. Mind, I can’t get my head round people but doing that anyway. Why the fuck you would vote for Labour or the Lib-Dems in a seat they have little chance of winning when you’re effectively helping the Conservatives out? 

[Dr Gloom 21915]

14 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

The thing he’s got to make the norm is honesty - being able to say for example

” Yes, you’ll pay slightly more NI, but you’ll see the benefit of it in improved services , like getting your dentist appointment in the same year or having your fucking bin emptied once a week”, and not being torn to shreds for it. 
The three word catchphrases Tories fucking love can get in the same bin as well- treat people with a little respect and it’ll come back to you. 

 

"back to square one" seems to be their attack line slogan this time

 

this one is as ridiculous as it is stupid - what is this square one they speak of? do they mean starmer might take us back to how life was under the last labour government, when we didn't moan about politics 24/7 because the country was in the hands of competent people?

 

they should call an election and let him take us there asap

Edited February 8 by Dr Gloom

[Dazzler 9748]

14 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

"back to square one" seems to be their attack line slogan this time

 

this one is as ridiculous as it is stupid - what is this square one they speak of? do they mean starmer might take us back to how life was under the last labour government, when we didn't moan about politics 24/7 because the country was in the hands of competent people?

 

they should call an election and let him take us there asap

I think he means back to the Protectorate. Sack off the monarchy, lob off Charlie's sausage fingers and scatter them throughout the Commonwealth. 

[Meenzer 15525]

44 minutes ago, Alex said:

I do find it a bit fucking weird like. I.e.  for someone to be of the left-leaning persuasion and to turn what Sunak said yesterday in Parliament into something to use against Starmer.  Even if you hate the bloke 

 

It's not unreasonable to say that Starmer is being disingenuous given the softly-softly approach he's taken to anti-trans people in his own party like Rosie Duffield, but that doesn't make Sunak's comment any less egregiously tone-deaf and it'd be madness to get in the way of something that can and should damage the party you're - supposedly - most trying to damage.

[Renton 21621]

41 minutes ago, Alex said:

I don’t see them getting back in next time round. But other than that, spot on 

 

I agre and that's another reason to support Starmer's approach in maximising Labour's votes and thereby decimating the tory party to an extent it is non-funactional. Should give breathing space to the generation of time that is needed to sort this mess out. 

[spongebob toonpants 3996]

Somebody should ask Starmer if he thinks Brianna Ghey was a woman

[Monkeys Fist 42428]

3 hours ago, Renton said:

the generation of time that is needed to sort this mess out. 

That’s the stark reality there like- these utter cunts and their party have decimated this country so completely that it’s a generational repair job just to get back to where we were a few years ago, never mind progress. 

[Dr Gloom 21915]

4 hours ago, Alex said:

It’s not a stance I really agree with but I think it basically boils down to this - Labour are so far ahead in the polls that they could be much braver. But when you are so far ahead in the polls what do you have to gain by being brave? 
I’m also willing to judge Starmer on what he actually does. 
 

100% this.

 

Wtaf is the point in being “principled” in opposition if you make your party unelectable? You can only judge a political leader positively if they win power and their policies impact people’s lives. 
 

You can’t judge Corbyn as anything other than a total disaster for the Labour Party: betraying working class voters, losing labour heartlands to Johnson, helping facilitate this dogshit version of Brexit we ended up with, alienating Jewish Labour voters etc etc. 

[Dr Gloom 21915]

13 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

That’s the stark reality there like- these utter cunts and their party have decimated this country so completely that it’s a generational repair job just to get back to where we were a few years ago, never mind progress. 

fear not, the benefits of Brexit will start kicking in soon. 

[Monkeys Fist 42428]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

fear not, the benefits of Brexit will start kicking in soon. 

I can’t wait to sell jam to Rwanda. 
 

Watch those gold reserves overflow!!!

[Dr Gloom 21915]

5 hours ago, Gemmill said:

 

 

The video started again and I didn't even realise cos that's what it's like having to listen to this robot. 

Doesn’t have a plan

 

back to square one 

 

stop the boats 

 

that’s all we’re going to hear from these cunts  this year 

[Renton 21621]

35 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

fear not, the benefits of Brexit will start kicking in soon. 

 

Only 42 years to go now according to Rees Mogg.