Politics

[trophyshy 7076]

12 hours ago, Renton said:

 

Whoever thought these are good optics I guess. A republican amongst the royal staff perhaps?

 

 

 

 

This is from 2022?

 

[Renton 21450]

12 minutes ago, trophyshy said:

 

 

This is from 2022?

 

 

Why probably not but I'm just joining the age of disinformation. 

[Sonatine 11329]

 

[ewerk 30409]

There’s no way you have an education as expensive as his and aren’t taught to button your jacket when standing. Looking like a bloated scarecrow alongside world leaders is a conscious choice.

[Monkeys Fist 42205]

P&O boss has admitted to MP’s that he chose not notify unions about the 800+ sackings. 
 

Linky

 

Good old Brexit, keeping our jobs safe from the dorty forriners, eh? 

[Isegrim 9741]

Words fail me. What an utter disgrace of a Labour politician.

[Renton 21450]

She's not a labour MP anymore. But proof were any more needed that Brexit has well and truly poked the hornets nest in NI. Who could have foreseen this? 

[Alex 34954]

She’s absolutely fucking mental. Not that it excuses her from being awful 

[PaddockLad 17166]

Tories. A case study... 

 

 

[ewerk 30409]

Aye, aside from the obvious horror of sexual assault and rape that story has always stunk. The fact that his hideous wife defended him and then was gifted his seat and not only retained it but actually increased the Tory majority in Dover is a stain on the Tories and the voters of Dover.

[ewerk 30409]

I fucking knew this was coming.

 

 

[Howmanheyman 32893]

13 minutes ago, ewerk said:

I fucking knew this was coming.

 

 

I thought she was leaving the BBC?

[Alex 34954]

Not sure if anyone caught it last night but there was an excellent, if harrowing, documentary about the Falklands War from the people who fought in it (in the main). If you ever need an insight how politics, media, propaganda etc work to misinform the public then this is it. With particular reference to the attack on the Sir Galahad, what has only been allowed to surface some 40 years later is the sheer unnecessary nature of the terrible loss of life, injuries and PTSD suffered by those onboard. It was always said at the time and afterwards that operation was carried out because it was essential to create another front, from the south side to attack Port Stanley (held by the Argentines). The British forces involved and interviewed said not only that it wasn’t the case but it also hampered / delayed what should have been a more direct overland assault from the west (where the eventual decisive attack came from). The ship also had its warship escort removed for reasons unknown. On top of that there was an additional aspect added to the mission that meant they wouldn’t be able to disembark at night due to the delays this caused. All this meant air strikes were able to be called in while all onboard were sitting ducks. This was by no means the only shambolic mistake in the conflict but it’s sickening that politicians and senior military officials bathed in jingoistic glory instead of taking responsibility for this and the other mistakes. 

Edited March 28, 2022 by Alex

[ewerk 30409]

24 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said:

I thought she was leaving the BBC?

 

Nah, just stepping down as Political Editor. So we can expect a good 20 years of her giving a soapy tit wank to every Tory who comes on her show.

[Tom 14011]

1 hour ago, Alex said:

Not sure if anyone caught it last night but there was an excellent, if harrowing, documentary about the Falklands War from the people who fought in it (in the main). If you ever need an insight how politics, media, propaganda etc work to misinform the public then this is it. With particular reference to the attack on the Sir Galahad, what has only been allowed to surface some 40 years later is the sheer unnecessary nature of the terrible loss of life, injuries and PTSD suffered by those onboard. It was always said at the time and afterwards that operation was carried out because it was essential to create another front, from the south side to attack Port Stanley (held by the Argentines). The British forces involved and interviewed said not only that it wasn’t the case but it also hampered / delayed what should have been a more direct overland assault from the west (where the eventual decisive attack came from). The ship also had its warship escort removed for reasons unknown. On top of that there was an additional aspect added to the mission that meant they wouldn’t be able to disembark at night due to the delays this caused. All this meant air strikes were able to be called in while all onboard were sitting ducks. This was by no means the only shambolic mistake in the conflict but it’s sickening that politicians and senior military officials bathed in jingoistic glory instead of taking responsibility for this and the other mistakes. 

The history around the Falklands is fascinating, before the war they wanted to give it away anyway & it was proposed to Thatcher that the British government give £1m to each family to leave the island to facilitate this. 
 

It’s strange that narrative now is largely a jingoistic one predicated on British exceptionalism when for long swathes of time people couldn’t give a fuck. 

[trophyshy 7076]

23 minutes ago, Tom said:

The history around the Falklands is fascinating, before the war they wanted to give it away anyway & it was proposed to Thatcher that the British government give £1m to each family to leave the island to facilitate this.

 

Can I have £1m to leave this one?

[NJS 4375]

Another one is that Argentina threatened it a few years before and Callaghan sent a nuclear sub as a big fuck off which they did whereas Thatcher decommissioned the Endurance which had a sort of supply ship/we still care role. 

[Gemmill 44561]

Party gate fines dropping tomorrow apparently. 

[Isegrim 9741]

13 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Party gate fines dropping tomorrow apparently. 

 Boris declaring war on Russia on Wednesday.

[NJS 4375]

Scapegoat a, sacrificial lamb b, senior distraction c. 

[Monkeys Fist 42205]

6 hours ago, Alex said:

Not sure if anyone caught it last night but there was an excellent, if harrowing, documentary about the Falklands War from the people who fought in it (in the main). If you ever need an insight how politics, media, propaganda etc work to misinform the public then this is it. With particular reference to the attack on the Sir Galahad, what has only been allowed to surface some 40 years later is the sheer unnecessary nature of the terrible loss of life, injuries and PTSD suffered by those onboard. It was always said at the time and afterwards that operation was carried out because it was essential to create another front, from the south side to attack Port Stanley (held by the Argentines). The British forces involved and interviewed said not only that it wasn’t the case but it also hampered / delayed what should have been a more direct overland assault from the west (where the eventual decisive attack came from). The ship also had its warship escort removed for reasons unknown. On top of that there was an additional aspect added to the mission that meant they wouldn’t be able to disembark at night due to the delays this caused. All this meant air strikes were able to be called in while all onboard were sitting ducks. This was by no means the only shambolic mistake in the conflict but it’s sickening that politicians and senior military officials bathed in jingoistic glory instead of taking responsibility for this and the other mistakes. 

I saw that and thought it was very good, and illuminating to say the least. 
I found the SAS gaffer, Michael Rose (I think), very interesting, from his telling about borrowing satellite phones from his US Soecial Forces pal, to how utterly dismissive he was of Brigadier Tony Wilson, the bloke responsible for the disastrous southern flank and the loss of the Galahad. 
 

The other guy I found interesting was Sulle Alhajii, the Para from Newcastle who talked about his experiences on Mt. Longdon. 
 

I looked him up and he’s done alright since the war. 
 

 

[Alex 34954]

8 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

I saw that and thought it was very good, and illuminating to say the least. 
I found the SAS gaffer, Michael Rose (I think), very interesting, from his telling about borrowing satellite phones from his US Soecial Forces pal, to how utterly dismissive he was of Brigadier Tony Wilson, the bloke responsible for the disastrous southern flank and the loss of the Galahad. 
 

The other guy I found interesting was Sulle Alhajii, the Para from Newcastle who talked about his experiences on Mt. Longdon. 
 

I looked him up and he’s done alright since the war. 
 

 

Aye, that twat war correspondent and that Wilson fella came across badly but the rest of them told some incredible stories. You could still see the emotion when they talked about it. Like the memories were still incredibly vivid. 

[PaddockLad 17166]

35 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

I saw that and thought it was very good, and illuminating to say the least. 
I found the SAS gaffer, Michael Rose (I think), very interesting, from his telling about borrowing satellite phones from his US Soecial Forces pal, to how utterly dismissive he was of Brigadier Tony Wilson, the bloke responsible for the disastrous southern flank and the loss of the Galahad. 
 

The other guy I found interesting was Sulle Alhajii, the Para from Newcastle who talked about his experiences on Mt. Longdon. 
 

I looked him up and he’s done alright since the war. 
 

 

 I saw that….thought he might be Yemeni from Shields?…

 

txtd my mate this morning asking him if he’d seen it, he joined the Marines at 17 straight from school in 1981, did his training & passed out at the beginning of 1982, just in time to turn 18 on Canberra en route to the South Atlantic… this is what he said in reply 

 

 

 

 

 

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 3860]

My instructors at Pirbright in 1985 were mostly Falkland War veterans 

[PaddockLad 17166]

Watching it made me think about something that I think was doing the rounds in the papers at the time….and by that I mean “the usual suspects”…. I think it was being claimed that the Welsh Guards were sat on Galahad because they weren’t fit enough to yomp across East Falkland like the Marines & Paras did…and l think that point was being slightly alluded to in the programme last night until the senior officers explained precisely what the circumstances were. I remember my father who was ex army talking about it, he said that he wasn’t sure if that was correct, but I could tell he thought it was possibly true…someone no doubt fed the story to the press to cover someone’s arse and the Regiment’s name was blackened forever….”The first casualty of war is the truth”….

Edited March 28, 2022 by PaddockLad