Politics

[Gemmill 44811]

Nick Clegg is whining on in the New Statesman this month that he's a "human being, not a punch bag - I've got feelings", and claiming that he regularly cries while listening to music.

 

What a fucking fanny. The first comment in the guardian report on the story is "when did clegg become an emo?"

 

His 9 year old son calls him Papa too.

[trophyshy 7083]

Nick Clegg is whining on in the New Statesman this month that he's a "human being, not a punch bag - I've got feelings", and claiming that he regularly cries while listening to music.

 

What a fucking fanny. The first comment in the guardian report on the story is "when did clegg become an emo?"

 

His 9 year old son calls him Papa too.

 

Wonder what music makes him cry?

 

The Great Pretender?

Puppet on a String?

Remember you're a Womble?

[Rob W 0]

lets face it - Brown and Balls bear a great deal of responsibility for the current mess - they went on increasing Govt spending when it was clearly getting out of hand

[Ayatollah Hermione 13861]

Papa "Oh papa, can you please knock Alison Moyet off, I don't like it when you cry, papa"

[ChezGiven 0]

lets face it - Brown and Balls bear a great deal of responsibility for the current mess - they went on increasing Govt spending when it was clearly getting out of hand

I'm sorry but that is absolute nonsense. Answer me how Brown and Balls are responsible for the exact same problems in Portugal, Ireland, Greece? Answer me how Brown and Balls are responsible for the need for austerity measures being implemented across Europe and the US?

 

The deficit is due to the recession, the debt is due to the bail-outs. Both are due to cheap credit being made available in the global markets via toxic assets.

[ChezGiven 0]

Nick Clegg is whining on in the New Statesman this month that he's a "human being, not a punch bag - I've got feelings", and claiming that he regularly cries while listening to music.

 

What a fucking fanny. The first comment in the guardian report on the story is "when did clegg become an emo?"

 

His 9 year old son calls him Papa too.

 

 

In his defence, his wife is Spanish so she will use papa. The crying at music came from an interview from last year too.

 

However, he is a fanny without doubt.

[Gemmill 44811]

Nick Clegg is whining on in the New Statesman this month that he's a "human being, not a punch bag - I've got feelings", and claiming that he regularly cries while listening to music.

 

What a fucking fanny. The first comment in the guardian report on the story is "when did clegg become an emo?"

 

His 9 year old son calls him Papa too.

 

 

In his defence, his wife is Spanish so she will use papa. The crying at music came from an interview from last year too.

 

However, he is a fanny without doubt.

 

He lives in England and has an English father. His use of the Spanish term "Papa" is disrespectful to his English ancestry and to genuine Spanish Papas. An apology is owed.

[ChezGiven 0]

I blame the internet.

[Christmas Tree 4725]

Why don't you address the simple point that the financial crisis was global CT?

 

Too awkward a question?

 

Not awkward at all. It was global, however some countries were more exposed to it than others and have recovered from it quicker than us. You also have to add in the inherent debt (forgotten its proper name) that Labour had built up during its term in office.

 

Did we have to bail the banks out to such a degree? Why are we not getting this money back now that the banks are raking the profits in?

 

Then there's Labour spending. They have spent like a pissed up lottery winner. Billions overspent left right and centre whether it be aircraft carriers that we didnt need or all these schools and hospitals that have been knocked down and re-built on the never never.

 

Labour should have tacvkled the BIG issues like the welfare state, like the NHS, like the pension black hole when times were good, they didnt.

 

I am not so stupid that I dont believe a world crisis occurred, but I do know that Labour helped stoke it and generally totally mis managed the economy along the way. Decisions they took will haunt this country for years.

[Christmas Tree 4725]

OECD announced yesterday that the forecast to UK growth had been downgraded to a stagnant 1%, the lowest of the G7 countries (average 2.9%!), with the exception of Japan, which was omitted because of the earthquake and tsunami. I suppose we did have some snow before Christmas as well like. Meanwhile sterling is down on the exchange markets from last year meaning petrol (bought in dollar barrels) has never been more expensive.

 

Think you'll find they've lowered their forecast from 1.7 to 1.5, rising to 2% next year.

 

Unemployment is rising, public services are being slashed.

 

To pay off Labours squander

 

Inflation is high, pay is frozen or being cut. Interest rates are set to rise causing mass reposessions.

 

The minor 1/4 per cent rises will have nominal effect on reposessions and certainly nowhere near the shameful reposessions caused by Labours utter mis management of the housing bubble and allowing 130% mortgages etc.

 

Liberals and Cons are at each other’s throats over healthcare reforms, which they are now back peddling on (subject for another thread – it’s utter chaos at ground level).

 

Fine tuning (Tories - The Listening Party

 

Today the second worst University in the Country announced it was charging fees of £8,500 – meaning virtually all universities will go in at the full 9k price – sadly predictable. Meanwhile educational maintenance grants have been stopped effectively ruling out even college education for many poor kids.

 

Remind me who introduced university fees? New......L?????

 

What else? Oh yes, we have got involved in another war while the MoD is having its budget slashed, including the premature loss of our only aircraft carrier (would have been handy now I suspect).

 

A legal one this time.

 

Oh yes, thank fuck the tories got in to 'mend' Britain.

 

The truth is that after Labour last fucked the country up good and proper, it was the Tories who came in and restored the nations finances and health. Although unpopular at first and whilst making mistakes like the poll tax, the good old british public new the score and kept them in power for 18 years.

 

They left Labour an amazingly strong economy which they screwed up very quickly. The only way Labour could keep the tory good times going was to do everything in their power to encourage debt. People were encouraged to remortgage their houses to buy cars and holidays with the promise of ever increasing house prices.

 

It will go down as a shameful period in british politics and YES THANK GOD THE TORIES ARE BACK.

 

Its amazing how many people have been taken in by the lie. The UK's finances are in shit because of the financial crisis. Its sort of works tautologically, the current financial crisis was caused by the financial crisis. The governments of the world (you ignorant types tend to leave out the rest of the world from your analysis of 'british politics') were not encouraging people to remortgage houses. Banks were making credit available and people took advantage of that.

 

Alan Greenspan is more to blame for our current situation than the entire set of decisions taken by Labour since 97.

 

Labour totally encouraged a decade of debt by the reforms they made to the bank of englands responsibility and FSA rules. They were not simply innocent bystanders.

[Gemmill 44811]

Stick to the shallow end eh, CT.

[Christmas Tree 4725]

Tuition fees were introduced following the Dearing Report, commissioned by John Major in May 1996.

 

Not really a Labour idea, were they?

 

 

Ahem ahem

 

Tuition fees were introduced by Blair and Labour and their landslide government in 1998. They then went on to increased them by over 200%

[NJS 4378]

Labour totally encouraged a decade of debt by the reforms they made to the bank of englands responsibility and FSA rules. They were not simply innocent bystanders.

 

Completely opposed by the Tories of course - no wait....

 

No regulation proposed in the past or even now would have prevented it - the underlying facts are that governments (and 99.99% of the public) didn't understand what the banks were doing but were happy with the "rewards".

[Christmas Tree 4725]

Internal markets were introduced nto the NHS under Major as well.

 

Of course that's a long way from having to pay to see a doctor which isn't far away now.

 

 

Im not arguing with that but listening to Renton you would think that this was just a tory master plan. The scale in which the NHS was privatised under Labour was huge.

[Christmas Tree 4725]

Anyway all you lilly livered Labourites, Im sure we'll get a good kicking in a few weeks at the local elections.

[NJS 4378]

Internal markets were introduced nto the NHS under Major as well.

 

Of course that's a long way from having to pay to see a doctor which isn't far away now.

 

 

Im not arguing with that but listening to Renton you would think that this was just a tory master plan. The scale in which the NHS was privatised under Labour was huge.

 

I don't think I've ever denied that Blair was completely Thatcherite when it came to too many things.

 

Having said that, in his defence he sold himself as a pragmatist rather than ideallist - your current boys are the latter which is much more dangerous.

[Renton 21592]

Why don't you address the simple point that the financial crisis was global CT?

 

Too awkward a question?

 

Not awkward at all. It was global, however some countries were more exposed to it than others and have recovered from it quicker than us. You also have to add in the inherent debt (forgotten its proper name) that Labour had built up during its term in office.

 

Did we have to bail the banks out to such a degree? Why are we not getting this money back now that the banks are raking the profits in?

 

Then there's Labour spending. They have spent like a pissed up lottery winner. Billions overspent left right and centre whether it be aircraft carriers that we didnt need or all these schools and hospitals that have been knocked down and re-built on the never never.

 

Labour should have tacvkled the BIG issues like the welfare state, like the NHS, like the pension black hole when times were good, they didnt.

 

I am not so stupid that I dont believe a world crisis occurred, but I do know that Labour helped stoke it and generally totally mis managed the economy along the way. Decisions they took will haunt this country for years.

 

The national debt of this country was one of the lowest of the world's big economies before the banking collapse occurred. Its amusing you think we shouldn't have bailed out the banks, just like the tories said at the time. What do you think would have happened then?

 

You're just simply wrong about the NHS, it compares very favourably with other health services considering we spend significantly less than many of our European and American counterparts. It's actually demonstrably very efficient as it is. I know I'm wasting my breath arguing with you about this because the truth doesn't suit your agenda.

 

P.S. Those carriers are needed in Libya now.

[Christmas Tree 4725]

Labour totally encouraged a decade of debt by the reforms they made to the bank of englands responsibility and FSA rules. They were not simply innocent bystanders.

 

Completely opposed by the Tories of course - no wait....

 

No regulation proposed in the past or even now would have prevented it - the underlying facts are that governments (and 99.99% of the public) didn't understand what the banks were doing but were happy with the "rewards".

 

 

Vince told the Labour government what was coming and they chose to ignore him.

[Renton 21592]

Internal markets were introduced nto the NHS under Major as well.

 

Of course that's a long way from having to pay to see a doctor which isn't far away now.

 

 

Im not arguing with that but listening to Renton you would think that this was just a tory master plan. The scale in which the NHS was privatised under Labour was huge.

 

There was no significant privatisation, iirc about 3% of elective operations were tendered out to private companies and paid for by the public purse. This was simply because the NHS didn't have the capacity at the time - it was a pragmatic solution. The proposed NHS reforms will open up the NHS to the lowest private bidder, who will naturally cherry pick the best services and patients, dumping the rest on the public sector. Their profit has to come from somewhere after all.

[Renton 21592]

Anyway all you lilly livered Labourites, Im sure we'll get a good kicking in a few weeks at the local elections.

 

Hardly, its the Lib Dems who will face a deserved kicking. But considering Dave is the best PM in a lifetime^TM, and his opposition is Wallace Milliband, he's not doing great is he?

 

 

[Christmas Tree 4725]

Why don't you address the simple point that the financial crisis was global CT?

 

Too awkward a question?

 

Not awkward at all. It was global, however some countries were more exposed to it than others and have recovered from it quicker than us. You also have to add in the inherent debt (forgotten its proper name) that Labour had built up during its term in office.

 

Did we have to bail the banks out to such a degree? Why are we not getting this money back now that the banks are raking the profits in?

 

Then there's Labour spending. They have spent like a pissed up lottery winner. Billions overspent left right and centre whether it be aircraft carriers that we didnt need or all these schools and hospitals that have been knocked down and re-built on the never never.

 

Labour should have tacvkled the BIG issues like the welfare state, like the NHS, like the pension black hole when times were good, they didnt.

 

I am not so stupid that I dont believe a world crisis occurred, but I do know that Labour helped stoke it and generally totally mis managed the economy along the way. Decisions they took will haunt this country for years.

 

The national debt of this country was one of the lowest of the world's big economies before the banking collapse occurred. Its amusing you think we shouldn't have bailed out the banks, just like the tories said at the time. What do you think would have happened then?

 

You're just simply wrong about the NHS, it compares very favourably with other health services considering we spend significantly less than many of our European and American counterparts. It's actually demonstrably very efficient as it is. I know I'm wasting my breath arguing with you about this because the truth doesn't suit your agenda.

 

P.S. Those carriers are needed in Libya now.

 

I'll think you'll find the chaps in the sub and the ground based Aviators are managing quite nicely.

[Renton 21592]

That's not what the military chiefs are saying though. The comissioning of new aircraft carriers when we were in an economic boom seems odd to me, did you or the tories object at the time? Thought not.

[Meenzer 15518]

lets face it - Brown and Balls bear a great deal of responsibility for the current mess - they went on increasing Govt spending when it was clearly getting out of hand

I'm sorry but that is absolute nonsense. Answer me how Brown and Balls are responsible for the exact same problems in Portugal, Ireland, Greece? Answer me how Brown and Balls are responsible for the need for austerity measures being implemented across Europe and the US?

 

The deficit is due to the recession, the debt is due to the bail-outs. Both are due to cheap credit being made available in the global markets via toxic assets.

 

We still positioned ourselves pretty badly as a country within that. But the Tories supported it and would have done the same, so it's a moot point really.

[Meenzer 15518]

Anyway all you lilly livered Labourites, Im sure we'll get a good kicking in a few weeks at the local elections.

 

Aye, I assume Newcastle will go back to Labour if nothing else. It's been too long since the last above-inflation council tax rise, people are getting restless.

[Holden McGroin 6582]

Stick to the shallow end eh, CT.

 

Stick to the kids pool with his armbands on more like it. Chez and Renton are doing lengths.