Politics

[Dr Gloom 23918]

1 minute ago, Alex said:

Projections would currently make Reform the single biggest party under FPTP with enough seats to form a coalition with the Conservatives 

 

four years is a long time in politics.

[Dr Gloom 23918]

1 minute ago, Renton said:

 

Reform will save us from Reform. There were 5 MPs and even they couldn't hold it together, now there's 4. Throw in the horrendous things Farage has said re: Trump and Putin, I just cannot see him getting the required votes to form a government. If he does, then fucking hell, time to leave this country. 

 

yeah. that'll be the cue to move to the south pacific and watch the world burn 

 

i think we are too boring a country. i think, hope, that brexit was an aberration. i don't think a majoity of people here want farge anymore than they wanted corbyn. 

 

 

[Alex 37215]

6 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

four years is a long time in politics.

Of course it is. But the argument FPTP prevents them from getting into government is no longer valid with it being a 5 party race now (and that’s just in England). The methodology Electoral Calculus uses applies polling at a constituency level and is more advance in terms of its modelling than most media outlets. So you can’t just ignore it. Labour are at a low ebb but Reform should be too given their stance on Ukraine for one thing. And the infighting. But they’re polling better than any other party 

[Dr Gloom 23918]

1 minute ago, Alex said:

Of course it is. But the argument FPTP prevents them from getting into government is no longer valid with it being a 5 party race now (and that’s just in England). The methodology Electoral Calculus uses applies polling at a constituency level and is more advance in terms of its modelling than most media outlets. So you can’t just ignore it. Labour are at a low ebb but Reform should be too given their stance on Ukraine for one thing. And the infighting. But they’re polling better than any other party 

 

we'll see. i hope that when it comes to polling day most people will revert to type. it might be time to give up on the country if reform do end up forming a coalition government 

[RobinRobin 12639]

[Renton 24153]

1 hour ago, Alex said:

Of course it is. But the argument FPTP prevents them from getting into government is no longer valid with it being a 5 party race now (and that’s just in England). The methodology Electoral Calculus uses applies polling at a constituency level and is more advance in terms of its modelling than most media outlets. So you can’t just ignore it. Labour are at a low ebb but Reform should be too given their stance on Ukraine for one thing. And the infighting. But they’re polling better than any other party 

 

I don't think people are paying attention right now. Come the election, you'd have to hope there will be more focus on their (non-existent) policies and almost certainly their many and frequent gaffs which won't stop. Also I'd question if they will ever have the party apparatus. They may get money, but you still need a political foundation and a basic level of competence, which I doubt they will have. As said, Farage is in a very uncomfortable political space being a Trump advocate, a Putin advocate, and a known and recorded advocate of privatising the NHS. And throw in Brexit to repel younger people. 

[Rayvin 6100]

Where is that national conversation about why we need immigration in all this? I mean there seems to be this assumption on behalf of the Reformers that immigration is being done because of left wing philosophy rather than a clear and defined need. Brexit should be used as a shining example of the consequence of Reform - vote to keep immigrants out, impoverish the nation. That's literally the trade off. Where is that conversation happening? Why is it not being screamed from the hilltops at this point?

 

Either we take pensions and healthcare off the elderly and let them die early, or we have to keep taking immigrants. And as a few people on here have said - and increasingly in my circles - people are eyeing moving to Europe to escape the shitty quality of life that Britain now offers. We have low wages, high costs, and utterly no chance of fixing any of it while the lunatics are a constant threat on the sidelines. Just why give this country any more of our intelligence, our effort, our compassion, any of it. They're not interested man. They want to run it headlong into the ground, fucking let them. Nation states are a waste of time now anyway, ideally you'd have groupings based on likeminded people.

[Alex 37215]

3 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

Where is that national conversation about why we need immigration in all this? I mean there seems to be this assumption on behalf of the Reformers that immigration is being done because of left wing philosophy rather than a clear and defined need. Brexit should be used as a shining example of the consequence of Reform - vote to keep immigrants out, impoverish the nation. That's literally the trade off. Where is that conversation happening? Why is it not being screamed from the hilltops at this point?

 

Either we take pensions and healthcare off the elderly and let them die early, or we have to keep taking immigrants. And as a few people on here have said - and increasingly in my circles - people are eyeing moving to Europe to escape the shitty quality of life that Britain now offers. We have low wages, high costs, and utterly no chance of fixing any of it while the lunatics are a constant threat on the sidelines. Just why give this country any more of our intelligence, our effort, our compassion, any of it. They're not interested man. They want to run it headlong into the ground, fucking let them. Nation states are a waste of time now anyway, ideally you'd have groupings based on likeminded people.

It’s the same with Brexit, which of course is very closely related. It should be constant reminders that Reform campaigned for this and it made us all much worse off. Not a fucking peep though 

[Rayvin 6100]

6 minutes ago, Alex said:

It’s the same with Brexit, which of course is very closely related. It should be constant reminders that Reform campaigned for this and it made us all much worse off. Not a fucking peep though 

 

Maybe they're waiting on the timing. Make people feel the pain now and then turn around and point the finger at Brexit based on economic realities nearer the time and when Trump has pushed everyone into a more pro-EU stance - then at Reform from that point on. If they couple that with the good start they've made on reducing immigration then maybe they get away with it - it could work if they genuinely manage to demonstrate success against immigration numbers.

 

That's my 4D chess run at it at least.

[Alex 37215]

5 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Maybe they're waiting on the timing. Make people feel the pain now and then turn around and point the finger at Brexit based on economic realities nearer the time and when Trump has pushed everyone into a more pro-EU stance - then at Reform from that point on. If they couple that with the good start they've made on reducing immigration then maybe they get away with it - it could work if they genuinely manage to demonstrate success against immigration numbers.

 

That's my 4D chess run at it at least.

I certainly hope you’re right 

[ewerk 33595]

I think this is my first time watching PMQs since Kemi became leader and she spent the first three questions asking why he won’t ban mobile phones in schools. She’s utterly useless.

[Gemmill 51041]

250,000 more people, including 50,000 children to be pushed into poverty, and 150,000 people to lose their carer's allowance. 

 

But don't worry, cos the markets are taking this news in their stride. 

[Rayvin 6100]

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/mar/26/university-of-sussex-fined-freedom-of-speech-investigation-kathleen-stock

 

University of Sussex fined half a million for protecting trans people  Bridget out in front claiming that Free Speech is a must.

 

They might be right tbh, but in this climate I'm sorely tempted to assume they aren't.

[Rayvin 6100]

Like, who do Labour think they're kidding on this shit. Seriously. None of the right wing culture war losers are going to look at any of this and think 'actually, maybe Labour are my cup of tea after all'. It is never, ever going to happen. This posturing achieves absolutely nothing.

[ewerk 33595]

8 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

250,000 more people, including 50,000 children to be pushed into poverty, and 150,000 people to lose their carer's allowance. 

 

But don't worry, cos the markets are taking this news in their stride. 

 

Good. I'm sick of seeing the disabled rubbing their dignity in my face.

[Dazzler 12149]

6 minutes ago, ewerk said:

 

Good. I'm sick of seeing the disabled rubbing their dignity in my face.

Had it easy for too long IMO

[Gemmill 51041]

I could not be a politician like. It HAS to be killing Bridget to be talking about stopping free school meals, and the stuff Rayvin posted above. 

 

At what point do you decide that you set out with an idealistic view that you would make positive change, but you're just doing Tory shit under a different banner, and maybe this isn't for you? Or do you have to just stay and pay the mortgage. 

 

This isn't a dig at Bridget btw, I just used her as an example, but I mean in general. Some of these people must want to murder Reeves. 

[Rayvin 6100]

6 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

I could not be a politician like. It HAS to be killing Bridget to be talking about stopping free school meals, and the stuff Rayvin posted above. 

 

At what point do you decide that you set out with an idealistic view that you would make positive change, but you're just doing Tory shit under a different banner, and maybe this isn't for you? Or do you have to just stay and pay the mortgage. 

 

This isn't a dig at Bridget btw, I just used her as an example, but I mean in general. Some of these people must want to murder Reeves. 

 

I sometimes think about going into it but between what you've outlined and the fact that it would take over my entire life until I die, I just don't think I'm prepared to 'give' that much of my life for this country.

 

And yes they'll all be under orders to toe the line at the moment, I refuse to believe all these people are this small minded. Which somehow actually makes it all the more sad.

[Howmanheyman 37055]

If they strip a penny from the wife I'll never vote for them again.

[PaddockLad 19292]

2 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said:

If they strip a penny from the wife I'll never vote for them again.

From what you can see today is that likely? 

[Rayvin 6100]

Just now, Howmanheyman said:

If they strip a penny from the wife I'll never vote for them again.

 

Fair. Completely fair.

 

I really hope you and your wife don't get caught in this though.

[Howmanheyman 37055]

Just now, PaddockLad said:

From what you can see today is that likely? 

 

Well carers allowance is one. But that's part of UC. The daily living part of pip is being made EVEN MORE difficult to acquire the points, the mobility part is staying the same, the limited work capability part could be under threat but they're not too clear about it. She could fall back into the old DLA rules where her award was classed as a lifetime award but you just don't know what is going to happen. The bottom line is they're deliberately targeting the disabled which is as Tory as they come. They seem to have forgotten who they are and what community they're supposed to represent. Disgusting from them tbh. 

[NJS 4628]

1 hour ago, Gemmill said:

I could not be a politician like. It HAS to be killing Bridget to be talking about stopping free school meals, and the stuff Rayvin posted above. 

 

At what point do you decide that you set out with an idealistic view that you would make positive change, but you're just doing Tory shit under a different banner, and maybe this isn't for you? Or do you have to just stay and pay the mortgage. 

 

This isn't a dig at Bridget btw, I just used her as an example, but I mean in general. Some of these people must want to murder Reeves. 

Some of them like Kendall and Reeves just are tory vermin. 

 

People like Bridget have for so long used the "principles without power is pointless"  line that power has become the only thing that matters. They're all now trapped in a view that anything goes in the pursuit of retention of that power. 

 

Thing is they could actually do some good AND have a better chance of retaining power if they had any ideas and the bravery to try them. 

 

Fuck them all. 

[spongebob toonpants 4448]

We're the 6th biggest economy in the world. They have a fucking huge majority, they could do anything they want

Austerity is a choice. Cutting public services and welfare  and placing the burden on the shoulders of the poorest is a choice

It's fucking disgusting and it's unforgivable

Edited Wednesday at 19:15 by spongebob toonpants

[Holden McGroin 7740]

I got rid of my membership the day they got voted in. I’ve always been a Labour supporter but this lot have never inspired me and my vote was merely to get the Tories out. 
 

However I was hoping Rayner and Phillipson etc would understand who the little people are.  They are more Tory than the Tories. Worst of all they have paved the way for Reform to walk into power. Unforgivable and I think they’ve ruined a great chance to do something good.